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Vedamurti discussion

23rd December 2006

Vedamurti discussions between Guru and Sishya

23rd December 2006 [15:06:38] Sishya says: namaskar [15:06:45] Guru says: namaskar [15:15:55] Sishya says: one thing has been troubling me for a while....how exactly is the .....mukha siddhi rastu mantra decided? [15:16:44] Sishya says: for what results should be such mantras be used? [15:17:01] Guru says: ok, are those your 2 questions? [15:17:14] Sishya says: yes...Gaja, go, hanu, anu, ? [15:18:56] Guru says: Question #1 Ketu is the one without a head; hence, he can take on a specific head with a specific intellect. Most people worship him with the head of an elephant which was given to him by his father Shiva. This head symbolizes the highest intelligence and knowledge of all the Vedas. However, for specific purposes Ketu can take on another head to learn a specific Veda. This is known as a Veda murti. We use the vedamurtis when Ketu becomes the Guru of the person. [15:19:51] Sishya says: yes ok [15:22:40] Guru says: Question #2: There are five heads/faces or mukhas. One for each of the five tattvas. Gaja-mukha (elephant-äkäça), Hanu-mukha (monkey-agni), aja-mukha (goat-påthvé), haya-mukha (horse-väyu) and go-mukha (cow-jala). Whilst the Gaja-mukha relates to all the Vedas, the other heads 1

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refer to the following Vedas specifically: go-mukha = Rg Veda; haya-mukha = Yajur Veda; aja-mukha = Sama Veda; hanu-mukha = Atharva Veda [15:23:17] Sishya says: ok [15:24:40] Guru says: Continuation of Question #2: Dominant tattva on Ketu is found to decide which knowledge is important for the person to overcome their weakness/mistakes caused by Ketu when it doesn't have a head or intelligence. If Agni planets such as Mars or Sun associate with Ketu, then the person should worship Hanumukha or learn the Atharva Veda. Similarly if Moon or Venus does the same then jala tattva dominates and the person should worship Go-mukha to learn the Rg Veda. [15:25:31] Sishya says: interesting! [15:26:10] Guru says: Example of usage: In my chart Ketu is placed in Saturn’s sign alone. Hence Saturn is the dominant influence on the sign and since Saturn is Väyu tattva the knowledge of the Yajurveda arising from Hayagriva (hayamukha) is necessary for me to learn. This way by reciting Hayamukha siddhirastu i can overcome the mistakes that i make in my life [15:26:32] Sishya says: in this life?? [15:26:38] Guru says: yes [15:26:46] Sishya says: overcome or avoid? [15:26:50] Guru says: both [15:27:22] Sishya says: oh...does this mean that placement of Ketu is not important as far as this mantra is concerned? [15:27:33] Guru says: If Väyu tattva is the problem area, it means that among the five jnanendriyas my sense of touch is faulty. I'm not 'in touch' with my surroundings and can make mistakes due to this. [15:28:26] Guru says: well, Ketu being a vedamurti can also bless the person with knowledge. [15:28:52] Guru says: Hence the dictum, that if Ketu associates with Shastyamsa lagna the person is blessed with knowledge of a vedäïga from past life [15:29:13] Guru says: The type of vedäïga depends on the planets which jointly associate with Ketu and the shastyamsa lagna. [15:29:30] Sishya says: for example, Ketu has conjoined my Saturn in the 9th...Sat in Cp...Here Ketu is bädhaka for the 9th...does this also call for lack of Väyu tattva and therefore hayamukha? 2

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[15:29:48] Sishya says: yes. I read that in your book/article [15:30:13] Guru says: Example: In my D60 chart Ketu is in Mesha and the dispositor Mars is having dåñöi on the D60 lagna. So mars is the link and indicates that knowledge from the Atharva Veda is being blessed upon the native [15:30:23] Sishya says: oh [15:30:49] Guru says: The two methods are different as in the first you are seeing a flaw, whilst in the other you are looking for a blessing [15:31:50] Sishya says: i don’t get it [15:35:06] Sishya says: let’s go step by step: [15:35:47] Sishya says: in order to prescribe this mantra, do we need to see both D-1 and D-60 and then decide? [15:37:45] Guru says: first of all, it depends on what you want to do [15:38:16] Guru says: If you are serious about Jyotish then there is no choice - its just Hanumukha siddhirastu [15:38:40] Sishya says: are u talking about me? Or as a general dictum? [15:38:46] Guru says: general [15:38:50] Sishya says: why do you say that? [15:38:58] Guru says: But then you can change the mantra depending on what you need to learn. I.e. if you need to work on your linguistic skills the Sama Veda is very useful and then ajamukha should be worshipped [15:39:30] Guru says: Ketu rules the Veda, and you may ask which Veda should sit on your head? Hanumukha rules the Atharva Veda where Jyotish finds its prime seat [15:39:41] Sishya says: yes ok [15:42:58] Sishya says: what if someone wants management knowledge/skills (Gaja?? as Jupiter rules Management) or higher education, musicskills??? [15:43:19] Sishya says: so this mantra is to be primarily used only for enriching knowledge? 3

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[15:44:30] Guru says: Gaja mukha is all the Vedas [15:44:36] Sishya says: ok [15:44:42] Guru says: music skills are specific to the Sama Veda [15:44:53] Guru says: that where the Gandharvaveda Veda is composed [15:45:08] Sishya says: umm... thought provoking [15:48:14] Sishya says: so this mantra is to be primarily used only for enriching knowledge? [15:49:48] Guru says: yes [15:52:07] Sishya says: see what planets are placed with Ketu...or lord of sign where it is placed...choose the mantra...correct? [15:52:18] Guru says: yes [15:52:22] Sishya says: do we check for räçi or Graha dåñöi? [15:52:45] Guru says: only if you are looking for a specific blessing [15:52:58] Guru says: see once a planet associates with the lagna if gives jïäna [15:53:08] Guru says: this is the dictum given in Särävalé [15:53:13] Sishya says: D-1? [15:53:39] Guru says: any varga. So, if a planet aspects the lagna it gives jïäna, and if that same planet has ANY association with Ketu it will give vedäïga jïäna [15:54:02] Guru says: the type of vedäïga jïäna is indicated by that same planet [15:54:12] Sishya says: obviously it has to be seen in D-1 or D-24? [15:55:08] Guru says: depends on the importance of that knowledge. If it happens in d1, d9 or d60 i will use it for all my life’s activities. But in d4 i will only use it in property matters and hence it’s minimal [15:57:50] Sishya says: wait...now in my D-60, tell me hw to interpret this?...D-60 lagna rises with exalted Mars (Cp)...Retro Saturn + Mercury + Moon + Ketu occupy a jala räçi Scorpio...Mars is my AK too...does this mean my Jyotish comes fm past birth? [15:58:31] Guru says: all opportunities to learn Jyotish come from a blessing from past birth 4

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[15:59:57] Sishya says: ok. You said this can be used based on importance of that knowledge? What do u mean by that? Further u said u will use it for d9, d60 or even d4...? Can u please throw more light? [16:00:36] Sishya says: importance of know. If i have understood you correctly...is what we want to use the mantra for...correct? [16:00:58] Sishya says: now then, can it be used based on d9, d60 or d4? [16:02:29] Guru says: Among the Vargas the d1, d9 and 60 influence our entire lives. Whereas the remaining Vargas are only specific to the area of life they signify. Hence, if a blessing is coming from D7 it’s quite insignificant as this blessing ONLY rises in matters of children, but not at other times. Hence, to get a thorough understanding of the blessings available we use the D1, D9 and D60. [16:04:19] Guru says: Among these three the D1 is more hands on, i.e. we work with it daily and always have. This can be anything from being a librarian because we are handling the knowledge in book form or being a pujari. The D9 shows abilities which are lying dormant but not necessarily interests that we have. The D60 shows very important blessings in our life that shape our future and influence us to carry out certain types of study or karma. Hence, in D60 we actually see whether a person will learn a vedäïga or not. [16:04:47] Sishya says: perfect [16:06:17] Sishya says: since we r talking about enhancing skills/knowledge, can it show diff "areas of knowledge/Vedas" based on d1, d9 or d60? [16:07:28] Guru says: keep in mind that it’s primarily linked to the specific Veda indicated by it. Planets not associated with Ketu can also indicate knowledge but not Veda based knowledge [16:08:44] Sishya says: ok [16:10:30] Sishya says: please take my chart...Sat + Ketu are conjoined in all Vargas d4, d9, d60.r u saying chanting the appropriate ....mukha mantra will improve knowledge. Skills with regard to the focus of each of these Vargas? [16:10:58] Sishya says: d60 indicates that i will study vedäïga… that’s confirmed [16:15:35] Guru says: yes definitely [16:17:36] Sishya says: in d9, for example, Saturn + Ketu are in 10th (Ge)...hw will this mantra hanumukha ...impact my dharma, marriage etc? [16:17:51] Sishya says: only now i am getting to the actual question!!! 5

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[16:19:09] Guru says: Since Saturn is Väyu tattva its not hanu-mukha but Haya-mukha, i.e. Yajur Veda. The placement in the 10th house in D9 indicates very unstable finances which need to be remedied. So reciting Hayamukha siddhirastu will help to get the necessary knowledge to overcome this problem [16:19:47] Sishya says: but hayamukha won’t improve my Jyotish...as for that hanumukha is required... [16:21:24] Guru says: true, it all depends on which knowledge we let reside on our head. Specifically it should be mentioned that the Saturn-Ketu yoga is a Shraddha yoga which indicates a debt to the pitris. This is to be remedied through the worship of the ancestors with the mantra: Om ghrini suryaaditya [16:22:05] Sishya says: based on your MP3 i have been chanting om ghrini ravaye namah [16:22:11] Sishya says: for Lagnesh Venus [16:22:45] Guru says: that’s alright, but it’s just for your brains to get bigger, not for remedying specific problems in the chart like this shraddha yoga. [16:23:17] Sishya says: i need my financial and career stability. So should i also chant "hayamukha..."? [16:24:45] Guru says: Keep in mind that worshiping the vedamurti is to overcome mistakes. In your case you ALSO need to repay the debt. So first and foremost you need to recite the Suryaaditya mantra. The vedamurti is only secondary in this regard but will help you make the right choices to get out of financial problems [16:27:34] Sishya says: ok...lets consider hayamukha for a moment...in D-4, this evil Shraddha yoga occupies 6th.does this means chanting the Sürya ashtakshari will remove jealousy/hostility at residence/property matters? [16:28:56] Guru says: yes [16:37:37] Sishya says: in the earlier ....mukha discussions, what if Ketu is conjoined Merc? [16:37:53] Sishya says: if it is joined Jupiter, its Gajamukha. i hope i am right [16:38:37] Guru says: correct. Mercury is påthvé tattva hence it takes on the form of the Sama Veda. [16:38:47] Sishya says: oh ok [16:39:03] Sishya says: i have reasonable clarity on this now...many thanks [16:39:20] Sishya says: let me study some charts and ask if i have a doubt

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[16:39:27] Guru says: To summarize: Sun & Mars = Atharva; Moon & Venus = Rg; Mercury = Sama; Saturn = Yajur. [16:40:10] Sishya says: what if the person has no interest in Vedas, but practically wants to enrich a specific domain knowledge? [16:40:53] Guru says: Worshipping the devatä of a graha enhances its knowledge in your life. [16:41:07] Guru says: I.e. if you want to learn math better then worship Ganesha [16:43:57] Sishya says: thank you very much [16:44:01] Sishya says: may God bless you [16:44:30] Guru says: same to you. Namaskar Om Tat Sat

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