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The Love Test: A Routine June 2, 2009 by CH

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A while back on this blog I mentioned in passing that I had a comfort building routine I use which isn’t, as far as I’m aware, especially well-known in the seduction community. community. The routine was given to me by a friend. Its effectiveness is without doubt; of all the women I’ve charmed with the love test, my bang rate is

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90%. For a long while it was my go-to comfort stage routine; I was on auto-pilot when I used it. Since I’m feeling feeling generous generous I will share it w it  with ith everyone here. Virginal routines that haven’t yet gone mainstream are worth their words in gold, so get on your knees

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and kiss my triskelion ring for this gift I give you. All I ask is that you don’t use the routine on girls if you happen to be in St Louis, Soweto, Prague, Warsaw, Toronto, or the Australian outback. It’s bad form to cross the streams.

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them, will bite at this delicious bait.

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If you are a girl reading this post who remains unviolated by my tremendous manhood, you may want to give yourself this test before reading the answers. Just read the italicized parts and cover up the answers underneath with your hand.

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The Love Test You will ask the girl a series of six questions within a story in which she is

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presented with two choices as an answer for each question. She must choose one or the other, and she has to go with her gut. Remind her to answer quickly and to avoid lingering over a choice. At the end of the test, you will tell her what her answers reveal about herself.

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within walking distance. One day you decide to visit him. You have two paths you can take to get to his home. One is a short but boring path that will get you there

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quickly. The other is a long but scenic path with many beautiful sites that will take longer. Which do you take?” 

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If she answers “short”, this means she falls in love quickly. She is passionate and

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If she answers “long”, “long”, this means she takes a while to fall in love. She is

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“Along the path you come across rose bushes. The roses come in two colors — red 

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and white. You decide you want to pick some roses for your lover. You are allowed 

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to pick twenty roses of any combination of red or white. How many red and how 

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many white roses do you pick?” 

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Red roses symbolize selflessness. A woman who picks more red than white roses

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is a giver in a relationship.

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White roses symbolize selfishness. A woman who picks more white than red roses

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is a taker in a relationship.

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than red roses. This part of the test is a great screening mechanism for LTR

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“You arrive at your lover’s home and knock on the door. A family member opens

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the door. Do ou ask to be let in so ou can

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o to his his room room to see him or do ou

 

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ask the family member to bring him to the door?” 

If she answers “ask to be let in”, she does not let arguments simmer in a relationship. She prefers having it out. If she answers “bring him to the door”, she lets arguments slide and buries her anger. She avoids conflict and drama. “You go up to his bedroom and he is not there. You want to leave the roses in his room. Do you leave them on his windowsill or on his bed?” 

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If she answers “windowsill”, “windowsill”, she prefers more casual relationships where she

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doesn’t feel a need to see her lover very often.

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If she answers “bed”, she prefers intense relationships where she sees her lover a

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lot. [Editor's note: Windowsill girls are cheap dates.] “Your lover returns and you two spend the night together making sweet sweet 

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sex. You both fall asleep and in the morning you wake up first. You lean over to

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his side of the bed to see if he is awake. Is he awake or still sleeping?” 

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If she answers “awake”, “awake”, she is the type of girl who will try t o change her man into

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her image of the perfect boyfriend.

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If she answers “asleep”, she loves her man just the way he is, flaws and all.

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“It’s the end of the day and time for you to say goodbye to your lover and go

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home. As before, you are presented with two paths to get home — a long but 

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scenic path and a short but boring path. Which path do you take?” 

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If she answers “long”, she takes a long time to fall out of love. Breakups are hard

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on her. She is given to nostalgia and reminiscence. She is a natural romantic.

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If she answers “short”, she falls out of love quickly. Breakups are short, sharp

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affairs that she gets over in no time and with little handwringing. She is a natural

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slut.

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I remember this one particularly aggro lawyerchick I ran the love test on. These

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were her answers:

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1. long

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2. all white

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3. asked to be let in

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Satisfaction Equation on June 2, 2009 at 11:41 am

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on June 2, 2009 at 11:52 am

On what basis do you conclude that white roses represent selfishness? I could easily make the opposite conclusion.

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on June 2, 2009 at 12:00 pm

On what basis do you conclude that white roses represent selfishness? 

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the test was designed by professional psychologists psychologists as a means of  drawing out a patient’s value system. system. i don’t know how they arrived at the

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conclusion that white roses symbolize selfishness, but in my experience running the test it has proven a decent indicator of a woman’s general character.

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like a lot of these pop psych tests of symbolic meaning that one uses as a game

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technique, the pinpoint accuracy is less important than the feelings evoked in the

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woman. and most women i’ve run it on have commented that the test was pretty

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close to describing their personality. personality.

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What if she gives a bad answer? It seems like pointing it out would kill

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the mood.

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 “All white roses roses left on the windowsill, eh? That’s pretty selfish, selfish, you cheap date.

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Now come here and kiss me!” 

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redhead

on June 2, 2009 at 12:03 pm

short, all red, ask in, bed, sleep, long… and I didn’t cheat.

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an independent woman who doesn’t define herself by her man”) or give it to her

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raw. a lot of girls like negative answers because they assume it is a challenge to

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their femininity and they will qualify themselves to you (“i’m not selfish!”).

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Flashman

on June 2, 2009 at 12:04 pm

I have some golden pop psychology psychology routines in this vein related to me by credulous female friends; however they have never worked for me when I occasionally unleash unleash them — I don’t think I can sell them (since they are obvious BS). I think bad actors like me are better off with a few standard themes (warm childhood memories, travel fantasies, talking about an “ideal” Sunday, etc. to infinity) and appearing genuinely interested in the responses (this also must sometimes be faked, but is easier to do so). Generally, however, comfort takes a back seat to compliance for us one night stand specialists.

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on June 2, 2009 at 12:08 pm

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Should we tell them what their answer means after they answer each

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question, or at the end? Also, how soon after you run it should you start

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on June 2, 2009 at 12:09 pm

One more thing . . . how many games like this should you run a night? I have Cube, the Palm, this, and one or two others I’ve read.

 

 

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Should we tell them what their answer means after they answer each question, or at the end? 

at the end.  Also, how soon after you run it should you start making movements to get back to her place? 

soon. this is a transition routine between the comfort and seduction phases. run it when you have isolated her on a couch away from the crowds. One more thing . . . how many games like this should you run a night? 

one. two max if you spread them out over many hours. i’ve found that girls will call me out if i run more than one test like this i n a night. she will usually say something like “how many of these psychological games do you know?” you want to avoid sounding scripted.

collegeboy

on June 2, 2009 at 12:18 pm

RJS: You should run only one rountine like this a night. Roissy: This really looks great, it helps to screen out for LTR material type of girls, and also women love these kind of pop tests regardless if whether they contain any truth or not. (If they are then its more power to you.) Instead of using the cube I’ll be field t esting this. I may modify some things.

Thursday

on June 2, 2009 at 12:20 pm

Cold reads rock. They _are_ li ke crack for women. I’ve had ADD club girls tell their friends to fuck off cause they want to hear the rest of the ring finger routine.

kim

on June 2, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Hmm..I’d say this is pretty accurate actually, at least it was for me. I love personality quiz things like this. The rose thing is interesting…I think white roses by themselves are usually pretty unattractive, which is why I said mostly red with some white.

Pupu

on June 2, 2009 at 12:31 pm

Pupu feels terribly insecure after taking the test, which is probably why the test works so well on most women.

Pupu

on June 2, 2009 at 12:33 pm

The answers are designed to make a woman want to prove they are either right or wrong. How to prove it? One has to get her feet wet first!

sara I

on June 2, 2009 at 12:45 pm

Did you find this love test in Cosmo by any chance?

sara I

on June 2, 2009 at 12:46 pm

Pupu…you are too funny…. /:-)

 jackson

on June 2, 2009 at 12:48 pm

cue the haters in 3…2…1…

aoefe

on June 2, 2009 at 1:00 pm

I covered up the answers just as told. I think it’s a fairly accurate test. Short Half white/half red – so I’m balanced gotta like that Wait at door

 

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on June 2, 2009 at 1:09 pm

 “Do you have have a GNP?”  If she says no, dump her. Peter

aspiringalpha

on June 2, 2009 at 1:15 pm

Roissy, you’ve got the midas touch. Links to the cube/other games?

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on June 2, 2009 at 1:27 pm

Roissy, Interesting test. Questions for you: How do you close this (ie what do you t ell her answers mean, and how do you swoop off of it)? Or is this strictly for intel and bonding? – MPM

Nashville

on June 2, 2009 at 1:27 pm

I would say that if you’re reluctant to unleash the honesty with respect to the “white roses”/”awake” answers, answers, you define the woman in relation to her partner. So, for “white roses,” roses,” you wouldn’t talk about her so much as the kind of guy she attracts. “The white roses symbolize the nature of your relationship. Past boyfriends have gone out of their way to demonstrate their devotion to you, blah blah.” So that it sounds as though she’s not consciously taking but is just giving less. Similarly, for “awake,” cast it as she grows with her boyfriend in the relationship. Not she is never satisfied and forces her boyfriend to change to suit her ideal.

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 1:35 pm

SO much fun! Inciting all those romantic feelings, as well as material for negging. I wonder if Doug guessed my answers? x x x 1. short 2. red 3. door (really?!) 4. bed (er, blush) 5. asleep 6. long

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 1:37 pm

Sara: Re: cosmo. roissy does his research where he must. Oh, the sacrifice and depths one must descend in the pursuit of poon, yea.

Riff Dog

on June 2, 2009 at 1:38 pm

Sara I – “Did you find this love test in Cosmo by any chance?”  It does have that vibe to it, doesn’t it?

 

The specific test (and especially the answers) are irrelevant. Stuff like this works not because of some deep science, but because it’s a clever way to sneak semiromantic topics into the conversa conversation. tion. So whether it came from the most brilliant psychologists in the world, or from Cosmo, or from straight out of Roissy’ Roissy’s s ass, it’s still a tried and true technique and gets the Riff Dog Seal of Approval. Just don’t take it too seriously.

omw

on June 2, 2009 at 1:41 pm

You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill.

gig

on June 2, 2009 at 1:41 pm

what about when she calls you to complain about something wrong you have done, you let her talk, giving just monosyllabic answers, answers, take your car, drive to her home, and cut her BS by saying “get outside” and turning the phone off? In my experience, if it is done by the first time, it can make her forget even serious stuff, like doesn’t answering her calls from friday until sunday morning. it is kind of a classic. wake up stoned on sunday, cold shower plus 2 or 3 litres of  water, call GF with car keys in my hand, half an hour later you are at her home to take her to lunch. it doesn’t work as well the second time you try it.

omw

on June 2, 2009 at 1:45 pm

and where people get the little-girlish idea that you can casually “pick”  roses like you’d pick a pansy is beyond me.

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 1:50 pm

omw: you wouldn’t say that to someone who actually gave you the test on a date, would you?! You: ‘You can’t pick roses.’  Him: …let’s try again. You: ‘You can’t put that many on a windowsill.’  Him: Another one bites the dust.

Beta guy

on June 2, 2009 at 1:51 pm

What’s up with this anal stuff ? It hurts the girl, it’s not heterosexual, it’s disease-prone disease-prone for both. Why do it ?

aoefe

on June 2, 2009 at 1:52 pm

@Riff Dog You know chicks (that I know) and yes that stuff works because its fun.

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on June 2, 2009 at 1:56 pm

omw 

You can’t put twenty roses on a windowsill. … and where people get the little-girlish idea that you can casually  “pick” roses roses like you’d pick a pansy is beyond beyond me I feel 100% the same way. > > American girls think they can fuck around like a guy for 10 years then > “settle down” with a good guy. guy. Fuck that shit, who the fuck wants > some ho who has banged everybody in town? > > This is why I have pretty much tuned out American American girls. Because they > suck. Totally. As i said, there were always sluts, but sluts knew their place, they knew they had no worth, they became hookers or welfare moms.now pretty college educated women are sluts. A girl joins the gym recently and she seems nice and classy, within weeks she had fucked 4 members.and of course she keeps coming thinking they all dont know their friends fucked her too and thinking that every person at the gym doesnt know exactly what she did sexually with a guy she just met

 

and straight up doesnt like her.one guy was like, “i find her wicked annoying and shes not my type physically but she walks over and sez  “so what are you you doing later” so ok, i fuck her in the parking parking lot, treat her like the whore she is, and hear what she left on my voice mail” and he plays her crying and begging him to call.this is like two days later, then she walks into a room full of men who just heard her voicemail, smiling and acting like nothing happened.then in an hour she talks to me (girls all talk to me like a girl, which is sad, but im the type of  guy girls dont screw but they open up to) and shes like  “hey who was the the guy on the heavybag” heavybag” like making making conversation, conversation, of  course its the guy who fucked her and i try and be nice so im like  “thats such and and such you dont dont wanna know know him hes a bad guy to women…he really hates girls, bangs a different chick every night, ex-con, kinda dangerous” and its true, he’s a friend ,but shady doesn’t even decsribe it, he hates girls and women, he SAYS he does.he cherishes it.hes proud of it. and he was just telling me how this girl swallowed his jizz and pissed him off by licking his asshole, and though the girl is pathetic, i feel just bad enough to kinda imply to avoid him.but im no fool, i know its hopeless.then she brings her friends and sister in and im like “why the fuck is this slut introducing people that thinks shes shit to her family” but then i t hits me, she doesnt know even the guys that fucked her think shes shit. and i know my mom told my sister many years ago is “men dont respect girls that screw guys that dont have feelings for them” and its as simple as that really.i could rant on evolutionary psychology and why that is breeding strategies and what not, but for whatever reason we all know its true.and at least twice just i n relation to this: gym girls get a bad bad rep and they wind up crying, actually crying to me(im that guy who picks up after guys who fuck em, actually i just got empathy even for pigs.but fact is that they all say they are just young and having fun, and they ARENT having fun.they are trying to be paris hilton, they are a complete mess mentally.the only whores that are cool with it are t he ones that were molested by a stepdad. most of these girls WEREN’T.whats funny is the womens movement has made womens lives miserable.if i said this to a collge crowd the girls would say “we’re  just sexually liberated liberated and you cant cant handle it.” it.” Well its their loss.deep down they hate themselves.and yet they’re addicted to the quick fix of cheap sex with strangers and just couldnt be happy going back to being anything less than a total whore.easy to see how it happened, paris hilton, pam anderson celebrirties are sluts so they think “i guess people like sluts”.wrong.this sluts”.wrong.this girl the other day introduced herself then said she worked at the town bank then said she was stressed today because some former boyfriend was sending out pictures of her naked to all her friends, literally 2 minutes after i met her.then i go “well, no one sweats nudity anymore” and she goes,  “THEY ARE WAY WAY MORE EMBARRASIN EMBARRASING G THAN NUDE….IM NUDE….IM DOING THINGS THINGS IN THE PICS, NASTY THINGS…” and it makes me long for a simpler time, a time when whores hung out in the combat zone and didn’t talk so much cause they knew no one gave a shit about anything a whore says.

xsplat

on June 2, 2009 at 10:05 pm

Ohh, 50s and early 60s England. I thought you meant pre-internet as in the seventies and eighties. And rememember as well that porn has been made in film form since film. Us kids would crawl through every nook in our house, and so our parents 35mm porno was watched by the neighbourhood neighbourhood kids. All it takes is one film in a neighbourhood to get a young glimpse of porn. Porn is old.

lovelysexybeauty

on June 2, 2009 at 10:09 pm

Default Alpha: haha, nice jokes… “plastic” LOL… “took my car” double LOL;-)

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Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

I believe French sophisticates and semi sophisticates were doing oral sex WA WAY Y before many Brits and others in the Anglosphere were, and in those circles not as such a fetish either, but more a normal part of no hangups sex. BJs were certainly a stock in trade among Parisian Parisian whores in Paris in the 20’s and I believe from WW1 and after. There was a lot of mingling between Parisian whores and bohemians / artist intellectual community. Also less commonly but still quite a lot it went both ways (cunnilingus). There was French postcard porn that made it back to America and England on a smuggled basis during and after WWI, based in part upon this. it was considered very shocking. I wouldn’t be surprised if both were going on in the Belle Epoch era of France in the 1890’s either. Courtesans and what not. I believe I’ve heard it was. How about at the time of Les Liasons Dangereuse Dangereuse – just before the French revolution? Would Would master seducer Valmont Valmont (John Malkovich) have used oral sex to cement his victory over Michelle Pfeifer? I suspect so. How about Casanova? How about the Romans? Or Egyptians? Not an art of the hoi paloi however. Which is what Derb was talking about in England growing up. Still, I do think there was a big diff between France and Italy and Britain on these things for a long time. That’s not to say your average Frenchman was doing these things in those eras either.

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on June 2, 2009 at 10:13 pm

Tupac Tup ac – that gym instructor’s narrative narrative sounds like he’s re-telling the plot line to Brave New World. Damn, Huxley was prescient.

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on June 2, 2009 at 10:17 pm

Check out Tantric Hindu stone carvings from about 3,000 years ago. Our most ancient ancestors were sleek and horny and had a lot of time on their hands. Nothing regarding ways to get off ever be new or surprising.

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 10:26 pm

PA: I expect it will involve creative use of ipods. Doug: well, lovelysexybeauty is definitely my kind of girl. I do not know about the rest. She will convert yet. LILGRL: I was teasing more about roissy than the quality of cosmo. I do not know enough about cosmo to make judgements. I read this magazine: http://www.psychologies.co.uk/ (notice, mostly composed of personality tests). Well, ‘read’. ‘read’. I l et it languish prettily while being distracted by my Doug obsession and medical education. Pop Psychology: Deconstructing Self Exploration of Personality Tests (And Similar)’s Appeal to a Woman: 1. Health of the self: It is accepted within my education that women generally have a different attitude to health. The reason why the PC Brigade teaches us students this is because we need — the medical professions — need to use it: there are campaigns where even women are targeted to care for the health of  their men and persuade him to see the doctor when he needs to. That is what works. Women generally generally are meant to be vigilant about their health, noting what happens to their bodies earlier and more often. It’s easy to think up biological imperatives for this. Extending this attitude to the mental plane is no hardship, where normal patterns are noted and analysed, so that ‘ill-health’ is noted and corrected. 2. Self awareness: Now while I am speaking to a male audience that is skewed toward the self-aware spectrum, generally generally women seem to be conditioned to acknowledging all and everything about themselves. Women Women have and still remain within a gender role where playing nice and reliable i s more advantageous than other strategies. Necessary for this is being aware of how you are perceived and

 

 

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thus working with it. A woman’s strategy is generally to be liked, to get along, and she must know herself and use this knowledge to do this. 3. Socialisation: Beyond looks, the self determines many of a female’s options. Once the starting line delineating physical beauty is set — negative points for beauty with other women, positive points for beauty with men — her self i s key in determining interactions with other people. Beyond that, she can use the ‘results’  as a form of positive social interaction (what is the first thing one does when getting the results: embed code, share). She gossips, she observes, she cannot afford to make a mistake in partners or girlfriends — she relies on others — therefore she analyses, analyses, analyses. There must be a framework for her analysis, attaching a terminology to perhaps what she intuitively knows: enneagrams, astrology signs, pscyhology. To summarise, the real reason why men are not  attracted  attracted to this? They are naturally social failures. The good news? You are not, because you are here and using an interesting framework for social analysis: alpha-beta spectrology. Remember that next time roissy makes a post on a scenario, and your ‘answers’ say how well you know your game and what ‘type’ you are.

doug1

on June 2, 2009 at 10:31 pm

Tupac– That thing is so long I haven’t fi nished it yet but I’m kinda enjoying his rant. Anyway this bit I’m picking out because it keys on something I’ve been meaning to say when the right moment came around again: and the dumb sluts, they think they can be a hedonist and still at 28 marry a doctor? no honey, he won’t wanna marry a 28 whos fucked 500 guys

I actually think that men who believe it’s important to not marry a slut, or a clear slut, despite claims of reform (for reasons of true deep love bonding and lesser odds of her cheating on you after a couple of years or even soon in these no fault for women days), should seriously consider hiring a private investigator if they’re getting close to the proposal stage, or maybe after they have. that’s after doing your own screening. Roissy has tips. So have I had.

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 11:07 pm

Tupac: Moving to Britain was culture shock. I had sources on sex before: textbooks, novels, what not but I don’t think there’s much awareness of  how ridiculously prevalent talking about sex is. It seems to be in every program,, every billboard, every form of media. It is an experience that you program apparently need to have and have early. Yeah, women always share wisdom about their bodies and pleasing partners, very much so including the Arab ones. A sexual woman is encouraged here. I’ve been shamed and denigrated for it: never been kissed, what do you know, what about when you’re a doctor, you need to try it, why so restrictive, how will you ever please a man and so on, afraid of  stones – eh?, family doesn’t love you because it’s not tolerated. My friend feels inferior because she is in her twenties and has not had a boyfriend.

I don’t know why anyone’s surprised when sexual experience is encouraged, rewarded and marketed as attractive. A friend of mine I’d apply the label shameless slut to — simply because she fits the description in that rant — loved men, though. If I go by her example, I would simply lay the blame at the men who would have sex with her and tell her how much they enjoyed it/loved her then in practically the next breath (as soon as her back was turned) tell their friends how much of a slut she was, what she did — which she freely talked about herself, unawares unawares most likely of the denigration happening by all these male friends who treated her so nicely — and how much of a crazy bitch she was otherwise. She would not listen to another woman and only a man saying or doing anything would’ve worked to make her believe anything about curbing her sexual behaviour or at least keeping the bedroom discussions discussions outside of settings which invite contempt.

 

She simply loved men, quite outspokenly and vocally preferred them over her own gender, and compared herself to a man regularly. It’s a shame such love was not returned, and not one of the things she called men could actually say what they really thought to her face. Just saying a fraction of it makes the waterworks and drama flow, as you guys probably know and can’t cope with.

Bhetti

on June 2, 2009 at 11:14 pm

Re: men who are not men. Feminism. I know. The PC brigade can suppress and change expression, expression, but not human nature. They still hate sluts but they don’t say it. Re: calling men social failures. Bit harsh. Here’s a hug. Re: composition and spelling mistakes. Must get enough sleep.

Anonymous

on June 2, 2009 at 11:32 pm

One could just compile a list of tricks girls should be on the lookout for by reading this blog. Ladies: don’t fall for the sexual con-artist.

Madras

on June 3, 2009 at 12:01 am

Roissy is excellent in posts like the one preceeding this; when he is analyzing the big picture. This is just awful. Just gay material.

Chuck

on June 3, 2009 at 12:20 am

people who say that a guys who like to give anal to women are gay would have to include a whole bunch more activities as homosexual by that definition. how do you explain blowjobs? if a guy likes a BJ from a woman is he gay? the mouth wasn’t “made” to put a penis into it, and men also have mouths. explanation?

Breeze

on June 3, 2009 at 12:35 am

For the anal discussion: Everything about some women are attractive, and everything about all men are unattractive. A hot woman’s arse is a turn on just like the rest of her. her. The look, the firmness, feel of her skin etc. Everything about men is a turn off. People who don’t understand this are probably the ones who have njo sex drive and might as well stick to fucking dolls. Also, can somebody somebody tell me what the hell is the difference between compliance and comfort? Also, here’s a man’s take on the test. 1. Depends how horny I am. 2. I would only pick one rose and pluck the thorns off it so I could use it later to stroke her inner thigh…colour doesn’t matter, but I think I would prefer red. 3. If it was her father at the door I’d talk with hjm so he doesn’t think I’ve come to do naughty things to his daughter. 4. Bed, of course. 5. I’d have to wake her up so she could start cooking my breakfast. 6. Short. I would probably have to go see my other girlfriend.

El Guapo

on June 3, 2009 at 12:39 am

@Anonymous It doesn’t matter if the girls know the tricks. I once told a woman every single thing I would do to her, including that she would be in bed 8 hours after meeting me having sex. It’s a dance — if you engage in the steps and the woman is willing, it is all a rationalization to get to the bedroom.

 

Does Doe s an anyon yone e rea y e iev ieve e t ey now an anyo yone ne we eno enoug ug a ter 8 our ours s to e rationally  intimate  intimate with someone? Of course not!

havana

on June 3, 2009 at 12:45 am

Tupac that man u quoted was ON POINT!

You Know I'm Right

on June 3, 2009 at 1:11 am

The reason so many hot women prefer alpha males is simple…it’s because they were probably fathered by an alpha.

Welmer

on June 3, 2009 at 1:22 am

lurker  Why is lady Cumstaine still here? Hasn’t she got work to do castrating her  faggot son? 

Hey, go easy on the boy. It isn’t his fault mommy’s a whore. The real tragedy is that he isn’t with his dad. Even if daddy is an abusive alcoholic (not like I believe the lying cunt), the kid would be better off with him than with a revolving door who’s likely screwing assorted perverts from time to time.

finefantastic

on June 3, 2009 at 2:07 am

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whiskey

on June 3, 2009 at 2:07 am

Re Older women and younger men. Even Demi Moore has to put up with cheating. [Kutcher is reputedly notorious on this front.] So too, Madonna. When this arrangement “works” it’s because the younger guy wants money/security and some some gal to keep his place running, but he will fool around if  he can get it. Particularly now, with no limits or guides to behavior.

David Alexander

on June 3, 2009 at 2:59 am

Tupac – that gym instructor’s narrative sounds l ike he’s re-telling the plot  line to Brave New World.

I could use some soma right now. Brave New World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world in certain aspects…

Welmer

on June 3, 2009 at 3:01 am

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You Know I'm Right

on June 3, 2009 at 3:14 am

Yet more proof of the natural inferiority of women – http://www.dailymail.co.uk/fem http://www.da ilymail.co.uk/femail/article-1168182/Catfigh ail/article-1168182/Catfights-handbag ts-handbagsstears-toilets-When-producer-launched-women-TV-company-thoughtshed-kissed-goodbye-conflict-.html –  – “It was an idealistic vision swiftly shattered by the nightmare reality: constant bitchiness, surging hormones, unchecked emotion, attention-seeking and fashion rivalry so fierce it tore my staff apart. .. And while I stand by my initial reason for excluding male employees – because they have an easy ride in TV – if I were to do it again, I’d definitely employ men. In fact, I’d probably employ only men.” 

Breeze

on June 3, 2009 at 3:14 am

DA – what a perfect insight into the beta mind you are. In Brave New World everything is controlled by the government. The person doesn’t have to think for themselves, achieve anything, take any risks; just do what they are told. What a perfect slave existence. Beta = a male who would intentionally make himself a slave.

dana

on June 3, 2009 at 8:40 am

Re: reformed sluts a question–do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships? is it fair to hold women’s sluttery against against them in the current mating milieu? i am 39 now (don’t throw up), married and have been in LTR for at least 18 or the last 22 years of my life. when i was in my teens i was in the hardcore/punk scene–i GENUINELY GENUINELY believed sleeping with every guy that caught my eye was an alternative act of cool and a validation of my attractiveness. my parents had been bohemians before me and NEVER told me anything about men, my mom basically gave me instructions on how to be a slut. there was no “dating” in the alternative world–you met someone, clicked, fucked and they either called you and you were bf/gf or they didn’t. during the period i was single and in college and law school i went right into the hipster bar pickup scene—i didn’t grasp there was an alternative and NO ONE had ever told me “men don’t like sluts”. i have NEVER cheated on a bf or my husband and never would and my ability to bond was never harmed, i only became very self protective after what i NOW understand were a series of pump and dumps–though dumps–though at the time i thought i was an awesome high sexed woman gathering conquests “just like a man”. seems to me a history of slutting AND cheating woul dbe of more value in determining a MODERN womans worth–not that i’m second guessing the men here, who know more about what men want than me.

dana

on June 3, 2009 at 8:46 am

other attitudes that might show an inclinition towards cheating would be  “you don’t own me” me”,, excessive privacy privacy in her phone, phone, internet usage, boxes in the closet you aren’t allowed to look in etc. an insistence that she MUST be allowed t o keep her dick-in-a-glass-case dick-in-a-glass-case male friends, refusing to dress more modestly at your request.–basically request.–basically,, insisting on still giving the appearance appeara nce of being on the market and refusing to be owned. no matter what i did when single i have always just wanted to be wholly owned by one man–i just didn’t know how to get that because no one in my stupid baby boomer lefty folkie hippy universe growing up felt the need to TELL me.

 

PA

on June 3, 2009 at 9:06 am

do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships? 

Just as boys have been systematically lied to by society, so have girls. I’m sure we all have noticed the blitz of fertility treatment clinic ads on the radio targeted at 40-year-old women. The tragedy for women is that their mistakes are less amenable to redemption than men’s. A guy can learn Game at 35. For girls, some mistakes are permanent.

Days of Broken Arrows

on June 3, 2009 at 9:19 am

Obsidian, The older woman/younger guy thing is largely a class issue in the white community.. It’s big amongst the lower class. The reason for i t is that lower class community white women tend to be stubborn control freaks and prefer boys they can lord economic power over. The opposite end of that is amongst the upper class here in DC, where you get women going out with men who look like their grandfa grandfathers. thers. When I was 26, I started dating a 33-year-old woman and got pulled down into the Garbage Class, although I didn’t realize at the ti me what was happening. I’m still recovering. It’s one reason I’m here.

Lawyer from Hell

on June 3, 2009 at 9:43 am

David Alexander:  “I could use some some soma right right now. Brave Brave New World World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world in certain aspects…”  DA, you are absolutely insane.

Lawyer from Hell

on June 3, 2009 at 9:52 am

Breeze:  “Also,, can somebody  “Also somebody tell me what the hell is the difference difference between compliance and comfort?”  Compliance is getting the other person to do things for you. The more they do, they more they are likely to do. Its the old salesman technique. Once you get the sucker, I mean customer, to say he wants to buy X car, it’s much easier to get him to buy it. Once he buys the car car,, its much easier to get him to buy all the l ittle things that go with it, such as the carpet pads, the undercoat, whatever whatever other nonsense that goes with it. Each step a person takes down a certain path, the more likely they are to keep going. Get the girl to show her palms, or twirl, or kiss your cheek, each step gets you closer. Comfort, is basically reassurance. She feels “safe” to be with you. She feels a connection. It is building rapport. It feeds into compliance. The safer she feels, the more likely she is to comply with requests.

Obsidian

on June 3, 2009 at 10:12 am

DBA, Hmm, very interesting point you raise wrt Class and how it plays itself  out along May-Dec relationship lines in the White community. Never thought of it quite in those terms before. Much appreciated for the insight. I just don’t want Women to get ish twisted-I have no problem w/an older Woman seeking a sexual life, more power to her. But she needs to know and understand that there are real limits as to what she can achieve, relative to a similarly aged Man. They simply are not the same, and for all the stiff upper lip rap a lot of  Women put out there these days, the harsh, brutal reality is, that most Women don’t wanna end up alone in their waning, if not totally gone, reproductive years. Perhaps the single biggest example I can think of along these lines, was the tragic story of novelist Terri McMillan. Her book, How Stella Got Her Groove Back was in

lar e art mode modelled lled on her her own own real real life “roma “romance” nce” w/a much oun er Man Man from from

 

  Jamaica, who later turned out to be gay. Seems he was gaming her to the hilt, and the time she finally caught on it was too late-they were married I think, and he was able to gain residency here in the USA, etc. I recall McMillan being on virtually every venue, clearly she was hurt and aggrieved. But she failed to take her anger out on the parties that mattered, which was/is, the Feminist Lobby; they sold her, and countless numbers of Women, a bad bill of goods. McMillan had already pissed off a good number of Brothas for her less than flowery portrayals of Black Men in her books, several of whom would be adapted for the silver screen; after word got out about her misadventure in Jamaica, she became all but radioactive. Today, no Brotha that I’m aware of wouldn’t touch her w/a ten foot pole. As w/so many things in life, there are always tradeoffs; I think Men understand this moreso than do Women on average, because for the vast majority of Men, we understand that getting laid ain’t easy easy.. For Women, until they hit the wall, getting laid is child’s play. play. No one told them, that when their time runs out and they’re standing alone, that the very same Men who they rejected and mocked earlier, don’t want anything to do with them-and that more often than not, the youngbucks they get, perceive them to be desperate. I done lost count as to the number of de facto giggolos recount stories of “juicing” some older broad. Sad. O

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 10:17 am

http://www.fmylife.com/love/968099  “Sounds like he should have said said this a long time ago ago if that was really really how he’d felt this whole t ime. He was using you! What a total asshole. Him telling you he loves you is the worst part. Enjoy the freedom of being single, or find a better guy who doesn’t do the same things as this guy. (And ignore the comment comment by #10- most guys don’t care if a girl is “relatively innocent” unless they are the same way themselves, they want to have the upper hand, they have a virgin fetish, or they’re just totally chauvinistic and believe they can sleep around all the want but a girl who’s had sex is a slut.)”  I think this woman’s ‘unless’ possibly possibly covered the whole male population.

Days of Broken Arrows

on June 3, 2009 at 10:21 am

O, A few months ago Roissy posted as story I sent it that showed the whole cougar thing was a media myth. Here is the link: http://roissy.wordpress http://roissy .wordpress.com/2009/03/25/a .com/2009/03/25/all-the-lonely-cougar ll-the-lonely-cougars/ s/ Beyond that, I’d worry more about the guys wasting their prime years with older women than the reverse. Most of the women going for younger guys are single moms with little future time orientation, so their lives are a wate anyway. It’s the younger guys who get screwed because they naively believe the women’s intentions are good and that it’s no biggie to raise another man’s kid. If I ever told the story of my twenties here, people would probably faint. I was an unknowing Alpha at 25, with a passel of 18-21 year olds at my disposal. But my

Catholic upbringing haunted me, and I felt I needed a “real” relationship and a child, so I went out with an older woman who seemed nice enough… As I said, I’m still in recovery. But I will never, ever be the fun person I was at 25. I may be more knowledgable now, but I’m bitter and you can’t hide that. Warn your young brothers of all races about this, my friend!

Maria

on June 3, 2009 at 11:01 am

 A guy can learn Game at 35. For girls, some mistakes are permanent.

(PA) ouch!

 

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 11:10 am

Anal: 1. That said; Does anal get shit on your dick? Why Yes, sort of. of. A tiny bit. Or a bit more, in particular if she is a dirty little bird. What’s worse is the smell. I am quite hygenic, and the normal vaguly musty odor emminating from many girl’s anuses is disturbing. Now root around in there for a bit, and you disturb things better left undisturbed. This scent reminds me that the sole biological purpose of an anus is to eject faeces therefrom. And particularly with younger women, hygene seems to be slipping… Lube + residual faecal matter + white sheets + a woman with poor hygene = Horror show. 2. That said, it’s rather dominant and enjoyable from the standpoint of a pure power play. It’s a power dominance, surrender, submission thing. In a way it’s kind of  flattering for a formerly uptight girl to beg you to slide your erect cock deeply inside of her rear end. Nothing expresses pure utter surrender like a woman bending over for a man she loves and spreading herself. The visual stimulus is similar to taking a woman doggy style. An intensely savage and wanton instinct want you to do her in the ass.. It is tighter, tighter, but this is a quantity vs. quality thing. With this in mind, I object to anal, and am convinced that traditional traditional religious and cultural taboos against sodomy sodomy were on to something. On sheer aesthetic grounds and principle alone, I dislike sodomy. It’s one of those decadent little things that feels mostly only enjoyable for the sake of breaking a long held taboo. Like sex behind a place of worship, or at a graveyard. It’s hotness factor is mainly because it is a taboo. Though some manual anal play is enjoyable for just about all women, particularly if done right. Particularly if she’s never had anyone even think about gently, softly, caresseing her there with his fingers, while making love to her. There are a lot of  nerve endings there , it is something new to her and can send little electric shocks through her. There is something endearing about a woman who has not been completely debauched in every way possible. The anus is tighter than a vagina, but for the most part something is lacking. Disturbingly lacking. A vagina is the natural place for a man to enter. It naturally lubricates itself, and swells with joy at his approach, it opens like a flower and greedily engulfs his manhood. It seems to have a mind of its own. Entering it you feel it flutter and throb and expand and contract. Vaginas Vagina s are friendly l ittle things.  “God done made made dem vaginers vaginers thar for a reason”  The whole cultural thing with anal seems unnatural to me. The amount of prep (lube, cleanliness, getting her to relax) that is needed to even make it enjoyable points to how unnatural it is. It is a taboo to break once or twice in one’s life before realizing it’s not all its cracked up to be. Like doug1 pointed out, porn made it in vogue in the 90’s. The whole vogue with it is MASSIVELY MASSIVELY socially engineered.

too late for romance

on June 3, 2009 at 11:14 am

I don’t know who you are buggering, but it sounds like you need to up your hygienic standards. If you find anal sex unnatural, whatever in the fuck that means, then don’t do it.

dana

on June 3, 2009 at 11:14 am

Massively socially engineered by homosexuals who wanted to break the taboo on anal sex to justify their activities.

i am convinced of this.

 

the SWPL video store i worked at had a gay porn buyer, the straight porn wall went from normal pneumatic blonde porn to gonzo, fetish anal and pee porn overnight. every normalized perversion exist to justify the gay lifestyle.

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 11:24 am

DA@ ““I could use some soma right now. Brave New World didn’t seem like such a bad place, and it comes across as better than our world.” 

You’re joking. Right? That settles it, Men, stop eating soy, eliminate the high fructose corn syrup, and break your Playstation. Throw it out the window. This is my sole warning.

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 11:27 am

Kamal: I have two broken playstations on my windowsill. Anyway, a Wii’s not so bad.

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 11:31 am

Kamal– What’s behind your dire soy warnings, which you’ve made before?

Tupac Chopra

on June 3, 2009 at 11:35 am

This scent reminds me that the sole biological purpose of an anus is to eject faeces therefrom.

Kamal, you have a way with words.

Tupac Chopra

on June 3, 2009 at 11:36 am

Soy reduces testosterone in males. The risk may be overblown, but it’s there.

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 11:50 am

dana@ I’ve suspected something along along these lines for a bit of time, but cannot find any real evidence to support it. I chalk away such thoughts in the back of my mind to contemplate over cups of coffee in late night diners.. “a question–do any of you realize that many girls were/are “sluts” because they  have had no realistic instruction in male/female relationships?” 

Yes. This is the whole point I think of Roissy’s blog, males and females, females, men and women, alike I think have been socially engineered, purposefully OR not (I’m willing to consider it an accidental side effect of some things… but I don’t really think so) to be simply increasingly incapable of forming authentic relationships and connections with each other. “is it fair to hold women’s sluttery against them in the current mating milieu?  i am 39 now (don’t throw up), married and have been in LTR for at least 18 or the last 22 years of my life. when i was in my teens i was in the hardcore/punk scene

Hardcore scene girls always were cuties, strategically ripped Minor Threat T-shirts T-shirts,, doc martins, tight thriftstore black jeans with patches, purposefully purposefully unkempt half  shavenhair . Good god almighty, I thought I’d exorcised the ghosts of those past memories…. Punk scenes are meat markets, idealistic youthful meat markets with poor

hygene, but meat markets all the same.

 

Just another iteration of Bohemia, Western cultures recycle this stuff endlessly except in today’s world someone’s someone’s figured out how to make a lot of money off it. But the general underground youth subculture, whether you have hipsters, hardcore kids, gutter crust punk squatter kids, goth scenes, industrial music scenes, rave kids, hippies, beatniks, bhoemians, or various iterations of the same basic tendency of Western culture to nurse pockets of safely channeled rebellion and dissent into small clannish meat markets centered around some form of  artistic expression. There’s always 2 or 3 bad boys who simply don’t give a damn about, well, much of  anything, wallowing in mountains of poon and all of the other guys in the scene slink around resentfully trying to chum up to their crushes by spouting off the latest PC bullshit and taking out their sexual frustrations by excessive pogo and slam dancing. Sweartagodallmighty Sweartagodallmighty every punk scene I’ve seen from ’87 to, well, today has been like this… Anyway,, to your point. This is the tragedy of it all, our culture sanctions and Anyway enforces, increasingly, increasingly, a sexual and romantic culture t hat mutually conditions men and women alike in ways that seem almost calculated to deprive both of love, while maximizing benefits for certain parties, and producing an unstable family regime in the process. Can’t figure out why exactly but I have my suspicions, suspicions, your earlier point a thread or two ago about early feminism. I really encourage you to lookup some of the early utopian sexual thinkers, the Free love movement for example. And some of  the early circles of English and American feminists. They often dove-tailed with socialist circles, in particular later on the Fabian society or its offshoot circles. There is something in all of this that is really fascinating and, I think, explains a lot of the ways our culture romantically and sexually evolved up to today today..

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 11:59 am

Tupac– Does this mean I have to cut out soy sauce? Or does this only arise with large junks of soy as one’s meat substitute?

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 12:00 pm

Tupac@ “Kamal, you have a way with words.” 

It’s a curse. And a burden. About soy, yes, I agree with you. Sometimes I exaggerate this stuff. … But I have a sneaking suspicion that later research will reveal even worse things, that the cumulative effects are augmented in genetically manipulated soy, soy, and in conjunction with all of the other crap floating in our food environment I’m afraid of  some really, bad, funky synergy. Like, for instance, bispheonal A, they are finding this stuff in, well, just about everything. And melamine. And numerous other chemical compounds with estrogenic properties. Natural phytoestrogens phytoestrogens do abound, hell coffee’s a phytoestrogen and I’m not about to give it up. (Not coffee, better pried from my cold dead vice-like hands..) And I suspect that a lot of things are a matter of proportion, just like with fats, 30 years ago science didn’t know quite how useful many fats were, so we were all sold a false bill of goods about getting rid of all saturated fats, etc. Now we know that things are different. But in general, I think that phytoestrogens may have some role to play, when you mix up a difficult upbringing and culture that tries to neuter us before we even reach Jr. high, in creating a culture of quiet desperate emasculated young men, and hyper-sexed slutty girls, both of whom really want love but are conditioned to not be able to find it with each other.. I dig trains too. And long night drives. But I enjoy a warm woman more. I stopped eating soy around 8 years ago. And am not looking back.

Sarsen

on June 3, 2009 at 12:08 pm

 

Aussie Gal – “That is because our logic uses emotion and gut feeling as well as reason. Men will never understand, but then again, I don’t think you would want to!”  What a load of B.S. If you’re using emotion and gut feeling it isn’t logic. That’s called intuition. Stop kidding yourself. The rules of logic aren’t malleable. Emotion will get in the way of logic. Which is why women are so good at rationalizing their amoral decisions.

PA

on June 3, 2009 at 12:13 pm

I dig trains too. And long night drives. But I enjoy a warm woman more. I  stopped eating soy around 8 years ago. And am not looking back.

Kamal, if you had written that with line breaks between each sentence, you’d sound like G-Manifesto.

PA

on June 3, 2009 at 12:14 pm

His style is infectious. I catch myself doing this too. Locked & loaded sentence fragments.

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 12:19 pm

Sarsen: Men are much better at rationalisatio rationalisation n thanks to logic and compartmentalisation. Try again. Or maybe I will for you: When you don’t feel  it’s  it’s wrong, and it is emotions that rule you, you don’t particularly care. For men: That is where “manly” principles, increased testosterone/anger testosterone/ang er (well, someone did that to ME before so I’m not going to do it!) or what-have-you come into play. For women: rationalisation usually occurs after the fact and not before it. She may give you reasons, but that is not what she was thinking of at the time. Men seem to manage their moral quibbles before the action. All generalisation and theory, of course. Your assumption that men are somehow naturally more moral has no basis. Humans are not logical creatures. You can give a computer some data and it will give you a non-emotional conclusion, but give to a man or woman, and they single out or interpret what gives emotional triggers to them. Both.

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 12:19 pm

 “..I hear that teenagers teenagers have taken taken to spitting into each each others’ mouths… mouths…”  ”  Dear God. That is remarkably vile. Could someone younger on here confirm or deny this? There, you’ve done it, you have finally made me feel like an old man. For the first time in my life. I will never be able t o look at 18 year olds in the same way again. Thus has been removed, a small tiny bit of joy from my life.

Obsidian@ “don’t believe the hype, ladies. Many older Men have sexual stamina going away  to bed. I’ve said it before and it bears repeating-if you take care of yourself, watch your  weight, refrain from drink and drugs, etc., as a Man, you can fuck for life….” 

Yeah, at 34 going on 35 I’m stronger, wiser, more intelligent, better read, more cultured, much better in bed (I can furnish testimonials) and, yes, have better stamina than when I was 25. The fact that I still look like I’m 25 is an added plus (I used to get mistaken for 18 before my Dad died.. that put a couple of years on my face, and facial hair) Every woman’s entitled to her preferences. Most women I’ve met prefer older

men. This is for a reason. We simply, well, just keep getting better. Like cheese, or

 

wine. Well, most cheeses anyway.

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 12:38 pm

Kamal & Tupac I want answers!! Does this soy effect extend down to the small/tiny amounts of soy in soy sauce? I mean when someone is using soy as a main meat substitute is a vast difference in quantity. Vast. The thing is I LIKE soy sauce. As in every other day. So far A OK, but there’s some things one can’t be too careful about.

Anonymous

on June 3, 2009 at 12:41 pm

Doug, just google “soy and testosterone.” 

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm

Doug: What’re you worried about? Your individual testosterone level is clearly fantastic. If it was going to have a palpable effect, it would have by now. Your genetics and temperament is probably immune. Enjoy your sauce. I wish I could recommend soy products to get the oestrogen [UK spelling] up for women.

Tupac Chopra

on June 3, 2009 at 12:42 pm

I wouldn’t worry about soy sauce, but then again I’m no expert. Why don’t you ask Bhetti?

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 12:43 pm

Tupac: lol. I expect the effects are more important population-wide and more important in things like oestrogen-fed tumours. tumours. But it ’s not nearly big enough.

Marcus Aureliette

on June 3, 2009 at 12:51 pm

But I think Derb’s point was that they were generally unheard of, or  thought as gross by most people, as opposed to today, when everyone does it.

They weren’t unheard of even in Chaucer’s day. People People have been doing these things forever, they just didn’t used to talk about them openly.

Kamal S.

on June 3, 2009 at 12:55 pm

I have recently been reading that fermentation does alter soy somewhat. and the quantities are small, compared to a patty full of the stuff. I’m leaving the jury out on it, because I really like soy sauce, and I really want an excuse to start consuming it again.

Sarsen

on June 3, 2009 at 1:34 pm

Bhetti, You are full of shit. You are also inferring a lot of things that I never assumed or said. You’re then one with those assumptions assumptions.. I never made the assumption or said men don’t rationalize. I also never said or assumed that men are more moral. Since your reading comprehension skills are obviously challenged I’ll spell it out

for you. There are not different kinds of logic. The rules of logic are the same for

 

everyone. Since the majority of people are morons, they don’t understand what logic is and what it is not. Logic has nothing to do with morals.

Bhetti

on June 3, 2009 at 1:54 pm

Sarsen: Discussions of logic, its relation to morality and misuse of the word aside, I was focusing on this: “Which is why women are so good at rationalizing their amoral decisions.” Ergo, men aren’t as good at rationalisation or men aren’t as amoral,or both. From what you’re saying, you don’t seem to actually agree with that.

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 1:57 pm

I wonder if the soy thing isn’t a correlation vs. causation mistake. mistake. Any guy who gives up burgers and steaks for a soy patty voluntarily i s half-anancy already.

Sarsen

on June 3, 2009 at 2:05 pm

Bhetti – Yes, in my opinion, women are better at rationalizing then men, but there’s no way to objectively measure whether women or men do it more often or who is better at it. There is only imperfect experience. Your mileage may very.

Sarsen

on June 3, 2009 at 2:07 pm

very should be vary.

Dat_Truth_Hurts

on June 3, 2009 at 2:18 pm

99.9% of your genes evolved when we ate meat, berries, nuts, and fish. Now why do you think there are so many fat, freakish warpigs and men with manboobs and bad postures? Internet+cars+processed foods+corn fed beef = Today’s health epidemic, obesity. I doubt that vikings hung out and chomped on soy burgers and discussed computer software.. They fucking ate meat, raped and pillaged.

Thursday

on June 3, 2009 at 2:22 pm

They weren’t unheard of even in Chaucer’s day.

Oral sex only became an attractive option in an age of daily baths and showers. Napoleon Chagnon remarks that oral sex was unthinkable among the Yanomamo he studied.

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 2:55 pm

Finally checked the MySpace. Definitely a ‘6’. Don’t be offended though Raine. We don’t grade to a curve here. A ‘6’ is a semi-cute girl. Kinda cute. A ‘7’ is ‘adorable’ bordering on ‘hot’. Do you reaaally think you’re adorable bordering on ‘hot’? Let’s be realistic.

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 3:19 pm

Young Lady, I don’t care much for your self esteem one way or another. In case you’re curious, face matters more than body, and you don’t have a great one. Not a terrible one, but not great either. Hence the rating.

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 3:22 pm

Just so long as the note has been made.

 

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 3:33 pm

collegeboy – That seems a little seedy. It isn’t hard to find. It is two clicks and no typing from here.

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 4:20 pm

Seeking Alpha– Finally checked the MySpace. Definitely a ‘6′. Don’t be offended though Raine. We don’t don’t grade to a curve here. A ‘6′ is a semi-cute girl. Kinda cute. A ‘7′ is ‘adorable’ bordering on ‘hot’.

Come on SA buddy, be fair. Yeah we both agree she’s a 6. I’d say a solid 6, and maybe for some tastes a high one. However your description of a 6 is harsh. They’re usually called cute. Clearly cute. Or “pretty” in a weak sort of way, as in if pressed, kinda pretty. As well I call 7’s hot. Not sizzling, but hot. (I.e. I’d do them, other things being ok. But I wouldn’t  just REALLY REALLY want to do them, them, unless they’re fab people.)

Seeking Alpha

on June 3, 2009 at 4:22 pm

Doug – We’re pretty close. I’d say six is kinda cute. Seven is really cute. Eight is hot. Nine is GODDAMN she’s she’s hot.

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 4:35 pm

Lady Rain Enjoy your preference for young pups, and focus primarily on handsomeness handsomenes s (if combined with tatoos). They are unusual for a woman in her late twenties, but enjoy them. More power to you. Look it up and double check me, but specifically the age MEN reach their “sexual peak” is 18 and WOMEN’s sexual peak is reached at age 40.

Men reach their horniness peak at 18 and women somewhere around 40, TYPICALLY. In each case, but especially in women, there’s quite a lot of variability. Bell curves for everything biological, or nearly everything. As is commonplace, young men typically cum quickly but have a short refractory period, while longer men can last longer, but take a longer time to recover. When a man’s testosterone level is high, he may recover quite quickly in his 40s. Men don’t reach their peak ability to give women sexual pleasure at 18 however, or anything close e.g. 22, except for a small minority of women who typically want to be in quite a controlling role, though not necessarily an out and out domme. I.e. she may want to domme from the bottom. Strong body and big cock, controlled by her. her. In fact men typically reach their ability to give the biggest sexual thrills much later than 18 or 22 if they keep in shape and e.g. lift, etc., and if they’ve learned well from experience as opposed to poorly. Of course that’s by most women’s tastes. You’re very unusual. Men don’t plateau forever though. When they begin to decline, generally slowly if  they keep in shape, will depend not only on the man but also the woman’s mix of  tastes. If they were high enough at their peak though, they can still be way up there for a long time. No man is going to be at his sexual peak except for unusual female tastes (BDSM for example perhaps) at 65 or probably 55 either. He might be at 40 and not much lower at 45 for a lot and maybe even most women in their late 20s and older.

Dave from Hawaii

on June 3, 2009 at 5:45 pm

DA – You want some soma? Just go to any doctor and tell them your depressed and they’ll be happy to give you a prescritption of the Pharmaceutical Pharmaceutic al Industries iteration of Soma…pa Soma…paxil, xil, zoloft, welbutrin…it might make you a little less angry when you rail against all of the guys here that

try to shame you into manning up. Of course, it won’t cure what ails you, only

 

make you not care. Doing so would only make your metaphorical embrace of the Brave New World reality complete. Kamal et al, RE: Soy Yes, soy is chock full of phytoestrog phytoestrogens ens that have been l inked to elevated estrogen levels and supressed testosterone levels. It’s effects are especially deleterious when it’s fed to infants. Some studies show that a gestating mother eating a heavy soy diet has a high probability for a boy child to be born with a genital defect. It’s also highly suspected that the ubiquity of soy in the food supply is responsible for the trend of menarche (entering puberty at such young ages as 8-10) in American girls. Yes, fermentation of natural soy renders those pytoestrogens harmless, so it’s ok to eat naturally fermented products like soy sauce, natto, tempeh and miso. But if you look at any processed food product in the grocery stores across the country,, you will find soy in just about every single product there i s. Soybean oil. country Soy lecithin. Hydrolized soy protein. All of that shit was never in the food supply until roughly 15-20 years ago…when soy surpassed corn as the largest crop produced by the world’s largest, multinational corpora corporations. tions. They needed to find markets for their highly profitable, easily raised and harvested crop that could be used in an almost endless variety of ways…as long as they could market it as a “health” food and an adequate, plant based replacement replacement for meat as a healthy protein source. And unless a soy based product specifically says it’s “organic,” chances are the soy products you are consuming are the genetically modified versions created specifically to absorb copious quantities of Roundup herbicide. This of course results in a much higher yield from every crop…yet on a molecular level, the soy from the GMO fields have round up residual that you’re eating. I don’t know about you, but a cocktail of phytoestrogen phytoestrogens s and RoundUp doesn’t sound nutritionally optimal, now doesn’t it? Check out soyonlineservice soyonlineservice.co.nz. .co.nz.

doug1

on June 3, 2009 at 6:19 pm

Dave from Hawaii– Yes, fermentation of natural soy renders those pytoestrogens harmless, so it’s ok to eat naturally fermented products like soy sauce, natto, tempeh and miso.

Pheww. I wasn’t liking the idea of ANY effect even theoretical from my soy sauce serious fondness. Miso soup, soup, which I have fairly rarely but like, is ok then? But if you look at any processed food product in the grocery stores across the country, country, you will find soy in just about every single product there is. Soybean oil. Soy lecithin. Hydrolized soy protein.

I eat very little processed food other than some sauces (e.g. salsa, mustard, ok catchup sometimes, bad doug), sometimes ranch dressing, and have for a long time, as part of my low carb thing. I avoid bread, though I can’t say never there. Preferentially I like rye bread though, when I do rarely indulge. What kinds of 

bread do they put it in usually? Also just about my only oil is olive oil of different quality for different things. What non obvious places does this evil emasculating substance substance appear? One has to consider the future. Is soy good for making women who are not pregnant or breast feeding a boy feel more feminine?

Tupac Chopra

Default: Logic on its own is a very dry and barren thing.

on June 3, 2009 at 6:59 pm

 

Kin o i e La y Rain s sou .

Dave from Hawaii

on June 3, 2009 at 7:22 pm

What non obvious places does this evil emasculating substance substance appear? One has to consider the future.

Basically anything that has “vegetable oil” in i t. Your ranch dressing. Just about all brands of Mayo. Most bread uses soybean oil. It’s literally in every fucking thing nowadays.. Maybe it has it’s own part in the increasing feminization of men and nowadays spread of homosexuality…who homosexuality…who knows? The only thing for sure is that 20 years ago, soy was a novelty condiment from Asia….and is now i n almost everything. A literal, wholesale change in the food supply. supply. Just about any kind of mainstream restaurant restaurant that fries anything nowadays nowadays has soybean oil in it. Prior to the mid-80’s, all fast food joints fried their fare i n lard or tallow…but the vegan/vegetarians vegan/vegeta rians (useful idiots for the Big-Agri, vegetable oil producers IMO) made a huge public protest when they supposedly “found out” that McD’s was using animal based fat to fry their foods, “tricking” them into eating animal products. Since that time, just about every single restaurant, from the cheapest fast food dive to the high end expensive ones all use “Vegetable Oil.” It’s the cheapest, mass produced oil. Unless a high end restaurant is using a specific oil like Extra Virgin Olive Oil (mediterranean (mediterranea n restaurants), it’s a virtual certainty that anything fried or deep fried is most likely done in soybean oil.

collegeboy

on June 3, 2009 at 9:49 pm

chic: sistah, you still don’t get it, and you’ve been here longer than me.

David Alexander

on June 3, 2009 at 10:41 pm

 Just about all brands of Mayo.

And to think, I’ve been eating mayo nearly everyday for 20 years with my sandwiches.

chic noir

on June 3, 2009 at 10:57 pm

get what schoolboy schoolboy? ?

Days of Broken Arrows

on June 4, 2009 at 2:43 am

The idea of men hitting their sexual peak at 18 is an urban myth. I’m not sure why people are repeating this — besides lack of education, that is. Below is a link to a Men’s Health article explaining why this idea is wrong — and a few other things. Also, any guy that has lived through his twenties know the  “peaking at 18″ thing thing is a lie:

http://www.menshealth.com/c http://www.men shealth.com/cda/article.do? da/article.do? site=MensHealth&channel=sex.relation site=MensHealth&c hannel=sex.relationships&categ ships&category=couples& ory=couples&conitem=184a99e conitem=184a99e

Breeze

on June 4, 2009 at 4:22 am

@ Bhetti: Logic and reason are superior to emotion and feelings. Logic and reason are the tools of civilisation and are what seperates us from animals. Anyone who tries to say emotion and feelings are equal to, or superior than, logic or reason is someone who is looking to reduce people to simpering idiots who run around acting spontaneously according to their feelings, such as animals or young children.

And morals concern principles. Someone is moral if they adhere to consistent

 

 

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codes of other people, but some form their own. However, you cannot adhere to a code of morals without reason. You must always examine your actions and motives to see if they fulfil your criteria for morality. Obviously Obviously emotions and feelings help in this. If something feels wrong or right, doesn’t mean it is, but it means you should stop and reflect on why you have these feelings. And men are more reasonable and logical than women. The reason Game works so well is because of this. This i s also the reason that thugs and criminals are better with women. They are more likely to do something stupid out of anger, or because they desire something, instead of using their reason and reflecting on whether their action is foolish. Thus they are more emotive and can easily lead women by their emotions, and thus get laid easier. EVERYONE ELSE: Why do you feel the need to argue with LR. Let her post whatever self justifying bullshit will help her sleep at night. None of us know her in real life. Convincing her that her life is fucked up and reality is going to take a big bite out of her arse may give you a small buzz, but it is really a waste of time. Just ignore her and concentrate on bettering your own life.

You Know I'm Right

on June 4, 2009 at 5:46 am

 “Like doug1 pointed pointed out, porn made made it in vogue in the 90’s. 90’s. The whole vogue with it is MASSIVELY socially engineered.”  Yup, widespread acceptance of the disgusting practice of sodomy has been socially engineered to be popular by the sickening KIKES who own and run the American porn industry.

1/2 Slut

on June 5, 2009 at 6:57 pm

I did your test. Turns out that I’m half a slut, half a keeper. I’m so confused. Am I schizophrenic?

Bhetti

on June 5, 2009 at 9:20 pm

Breeze: I hope I did not say emotions were equal to or superior in making moral decisions. I’m saying men are emotional too and very capable of hiding behind reason when making their share of amoral decisions. The prejudice against men as amoral creatures is in your own phraseology: the amoral fact as best as society measures it is that men = criminals and thugs. This is all based on what makes up on views of what makes up ‘amoral’ or does not. I don’t really think any gender is particularly superior that way, way, or more capable of  moral decision. Each gender gender has its crimes that it is prone to, based on the balance of their own characteristic vulnerabilities.

Lawyer from Hell

on June 12, 2009 at 2:47 pm

Just for fun I have asked these questions of several women. I have come to the conclusion that if they hesitate for even a moment on the rose question and then respond ten white and ten red, that is in fact an all white rose answer. I have called them on it and asked what the first response was going to be and they invariably confess twenty white. and yes it does correspond with their personalities.

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Pickup Lines

on September 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm

Pretty funny story. I think women love to hear you do psychoanalysis

 

 

GayButtox

on December 9, 2009 at 4:31 am

Wait, PA does not know that women are creatures like any other, and that what they eat must come out eventually? He might not have had sex with a woman (hence the belief that they don’t have rectal apertures), but surely he has seen a woman eat before.. So why is he claiming that women don’t take shits?

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on May 16, 2010 at 5:05 pm

I enjoyed making her wince with pain during anal sex.

So the self-styled Beta Avenger enjoyed making her feel pain as punishment for “flaws” which, given the dubious validity of the test, may not even exist. Yet, the very fact that she even let you make her wince demonstrates demonstrates that she doesn’t have said “flaws.” “flaws.” Your interminable love affair with circular reasoning demonstrates demonstra tes how much perspicacity you expect of your fawning fanboys. The only thing this routine demonstates is that you’re full of $hit. This “love test”  was featured in YM magazine, which was the most widely read teen girl magazine, almost 10 years ago. It’s also pretty ubiquitous on the interwebz. Given these facts, it’s pretty unlikely you’re gaming “girls” under the age of 30. Of course, it’s also quite possible that the girls you’re “gaming” are illiterate, antisocial hicks who live under a rock.

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Used this one last night. Worked like a charm. Heh.

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