Stan Meyers Vic Circuit Rebuild Guide

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Circuit diagrams

Electronics in Stan's original voltage intensifier circuit, trace of its card here: The zipped schematic file in the attachments may only be compatible with gschem of the gEDA electronic toolkit, so compatibility varies.

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MVCXZ6AkTU This is a simulation of what the effects are on the water cell when you have two different value chokes. Think of the LCL circuit as a Bandpass Filter.

The L1 choke (purple signal) is placed in the +V field before the Cell (capacitor), this will act as a Low pass filter and at resonance will give rise to the High Voltages needed in the circuit. The L2 choke (green signal) is placed in the -V field after the Cell, this will act as a High pass filter and allow higher frequencies to be generated. These two different frequencies will be mixed together and give rise to what is known as a "beat" phenomenon. The resonance this occurs is due to the close ratio of the two frequencies. In this video you can see that the L1 choke will only resonant at the driving frequency which is to be the resonant frequency of the L1 & C values. The L2 choke will resonance at a higher frequency and give a lower voltage and smaller "beat". By the two inductors being on the same closed loop core, you will have an effect that will look like a Modulated AM signal, meaning that the L2 "beat" signal will be raised in voltage accordingly to the growing voltages of the L1 choke. This will cause a large magnetic field that will restrict the current flow and allow voltages to go to very high levels. I discovered this a while back and I am now sharing this information in the hopes to lead everyone in the right path to replicating Stan Meyer's system NOtes on above The voltage is definitely not not going back to zero so this is keeping the voltage pressure up up so the water get ionized is my thinking The "beat" "beat" phenome phenomenon non is the the key to SM work! work!

1) The smaller AM signals are to match the resonance of t he electrons of the molecule. 2 2) The larger and slower AM signal modulates the smaller AM signals and what this does is setup the resonance of the Nuclear Magnetic Relaxation (NMR) cycle of the proton water. I just now need to tune the chokes to the correct frequencies :)

Why did in Stanley Meyers earlier design did he use a fix value inductor fore the L1 choke and a variable inductor for the L2 choke? The purpose of giving the coils of different values is to pulsed the inner  and outer tube pair with different frequency`s.

The coil with the higher value will lower the pulsed frequency frequency and the coil with the the lower value will higher the pulsed frequency. When you pulse pulse the LC circuit at a given frequency, the different value value inductors will change the frequency frequency to give rise to  an AM wave like I have shown in one of my videos. For example, if t he circuit is pulsed at the resonant frequency of the L1 & Cell value, the frequency between L1 & the cell will be t he same as the pulsed frequency. The frequency between L2 & Cell will be a different frequency from the pulsed frequency!!! different inductors limit the frequency range? He first used a variable one to find the range he wanted. Later on he used two fixed value ones ones when he figured out out the exact range he wanted wanted to limit it to? What will the difference of inductance do to the frequency frequency that is being being pulsed to the the chokes? chokes?

LAser a 804 nanometer and a 404 nanometer laser would dissimulate water as well , I have been looking at this because of the the effect of corrosion of stainless stainless steel in the water, with the lasers there there is nothing to corrode if you you want to find the right right path look at my paper "A DIMENSIONAL ANALYSIS OF A ELECTRON" just go to my page and look for the link to the paper !

PCB Board

Schematic

Kit From Tony

Guys, I dont know if you observed(i did by comparison)that the original vic board does NOT contain variable pulse gen and gated pulse gen., like vic.sckem pdf shows(see attachment)it contains only voltage amplitude control/cell driver/pulse indicator/PLL/ and scaning circuits...the variable pulse and gated pulse gen are on the GMS,hope that help

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 You must look at the schematics with with the pcb alongside it. PDF http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=765 Zip http://open-source-energy.org/forum/attachment.php?aid=982

 In kicad you map all schematic components to modules which are the definitions of the actual casings, etc. The pin numbers in the schematic are not necesarry the same as the module pin numbers you see in the datasheets.  If you look at the pcb (see attachment) you see that the pin numbers for the tip120 (Q1) are in the order 2, 3, 1 which you can lookup in the schematic and you will see that they correspond to the actual datasheet pins for base, collector, emitter. So yes it is kind of non logical but in the end on the pcb it is correct.

 What do you mean by voltage of positive connection? The +batt is 12V which goes to the 7810 and my experience the higher the frequency even if at the same duty cycle the less current draw...  just my thoughts... i agree that the resistor is in parallel with primary. the reason is to "tune" the the VIC or make up for some lost space by cramming all that stuff in a small slot... so if one can tune with a resister insted of a bunch of copper wire... do it. If i take a look at Tony Woodsides VIC card connections ( http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoo...ctions.png ) http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoo...ctions.png  ) he also uses just a two wire coil connection  Is simply one end connected to +5V and the other end connected to the two resistors in parallel to the opamp? In other words just an other way of drawing the coil connection or really a coil with a center tab? While searching for information on connecting the feedback coil i encountered the connection schema of the VIC card of Tony Woodside (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoo...ctions.png (http://www.globalkast.com/images/tonywoo...ctions.png ),  ), ... seems that i am not the only one that thinks the resistor needs to be in series with the primary coil. I think that the pictures that seems to show various resistors in parallel with the primary may actually be several resistors in parallel but all together in series with the primary...? Anyway, ... when all is finished testing will show the results.

 At this photo is clear Meyer connected connected the resistor parallel with the primary.  At the resistors leads are three wires(primary-rezistor-wire wires(primary-rezistor-wire from card).  And the parallel blocking diode diode is located on the pcb.

There are so many things to bypass that he himself was really not for sure if he got everything correct. He did say he could get the lock in to work. he also told me that the lock-in actually locked in to the secondary choke.  So you could actually take the cell completely off the VIC and the scanning circuit would lock in to the resonant frequency within those coils.  Those coils actually have enough capacitance to create a self resonating circuit. He also told me that the gating frequency was always a manual tune. So after the lock-in found the resident frequency. You had to manually tune in the gating.

He also told me that he did not have the correct cables to connect the two units together. All in all the impression I got from him directly over the phone was that he was really not for sure if h e bypassed all the systems correctly.  Another thing he told me is that the resident resident scanning circuit would always always lock on to the third harmonic. So the third harmonic for some reason was creating a higher voltage spike. And that was the frequency of which the scanning circuit would lock onto. Some interesting thoughts I thought I would share before I forgot.

Can you guys tell me what kind of caps are those ?polyester,ceramic?does it mater the type?see att

Notes current knowledge 13/4/2012 1 theoretically... it should be tuned to give you the best results... so the cap should charge to its max then gating should take over... and step charge again... once the cap is maxed out... you want it to rest again. if you dont step charge you wont see the polarizing stage taking place correctly... this is what i'm gathering from my research. there is things that happen when you let the cap go back t o a rest state. but again... this is with water.. 2 There you see the gating signal coming in from A, pin 11 of the second nor (U3D) goes to the inhibit pin 5 on the 4046. Pin 3 is connected to the primary signal which is the input to the 4046 comparator together with the feedback signal of pin 14. The inhibit is only enabled when there is signal on the output pin 4 because this also goes back to pin 12 of the gating signal nor. So primairy signal needs to be connected to pin 3 and inhibit (gating) signal to pin 5. it is connected exactly in this way. But when its coming a pulse off time, so the output needs to be off. The IC unlocks, and when is pulse on time comes again, continues whit scanning, but the pulse one time is to short to lock in again. So my first question can be: what is the aprox. gating frequency? In my opinion the optimal solution wold be to hold the last locked freq until the next pulse on time, but the working mode of PLL is not in this way. I clearly see the the need of pulse off time. It prevents the magnetization of the core and waits some gas t o leave the "resonant cavity". Do you managed the gating to work perfectly? Ex. 5 pulses on resonant freq. 4 pulses break, 5 pulses again on resonant freq.? I`m looking in this way, but until now I got just the lock in. ( 3. The choke coils serve many different purposes and here are the main 3: 1) To increase voltage of secondary to higher voltages. 2) To give opposite polarity voltage on the outputs. 3) To act as a resistive element (XL) without having a voltage drop like you would have with a resistor. 4. "The pulse (chokes UNIPOLAR) and charge status of the water/capacitor never pass through an arbitrary ground."

So he said it! Critically damped If this is true then there is no choke coil oscillation! No frequency! When we have no frequency we have UNIPOLAR PULSE. But we can charge them up with a pump frequency ! If we want to design a choke to comply with these specs, we must have high resistance. What he said about making use of the dielectric properties of water, there is resistance between the plates a gap size. Lookup the variable plate WFC. On the injectors WFC there is litt le resistance so he build large r esistance choke coils to satisfy the design rule making UNIPOLAR pulse. I guess charging the choke requires higher pump frequency to get higher kV voltages. Also the WFC capacitance is important because we have different water types in it . This effects the capacitance. I think he designed the chokes for a few water types but not all. Tap water is higher in capacitance then Rain water, so the RLC is adjusted for it. For the square bobbin VIC transformer type he makes use of the fixed gap size (resistance) in the RLC circuit. Combine this with the choke coils R. Example: L=1.22H, C=15.7nF, we need R=17.5kOhm to get UNIPOLAR PULSE.

Special NOte NEW SOLID STATE http://www.http://www.youtube.c http://www.http:/ /www.youtube.com/watch?v=4l1Pf om/watch?v=4l1PfmTheFM&feature=relatedyou mTheFM&feature=relatedyoutube.com/watch? tube.com/watch? v=4l1PfmTheFM&feature=related Cold current hydrogen using my solid state charger. For plans on how to build this EXACT circuit, go to http://www.ritalie.co http://www.ritalie.com/eBooks.htm m/eBooks.htm and  and you will find the plans. It took over 70 circuit tests to get this particular one. http://ritalie.com/images/wfc_voltage.gif  This is one of the closer Stanley Meyer replications I've seen. The reason is, the frequency is automatically matched perfectly, and is continuously variable. No adjustments are needed. Nothing is adjustable. When the water changes, the frequency changes. When the impurities in the water go up, the frequency goes down. When the impurities in the water go down, the circuit speeds up. When the temperature of the water changes, the frequency changes. It is fully automatic. This is all done without computers or charging choke coils which are both completely unnecessary for the basic Stanley Meyer hydrogen high voltage electrolysis. Round tubes would be better, however, this is just an experiment to show the basic principles. I am using a "pump" charging circuit with a blocking diode and voltage i s going towards infinity, just as described by Stanley Meyer. The maximum voltage doesn't go to infinity, because there is resistance in the water, and because maximum voltage is limited by the number of windings on the primary inductor (charging coil). This is a different method of doing the same thing that Stanley Meyer invented. You do NOT need charging chokes with this circuit, they would reduce charging. For more power, what you do is add more charging coils, parallel to each other. Basically, you duplicate this circuit, and wind as many coils as you want on the same core. You hook up each coil of wire as its own circuit, and then you run all of them together to the water fuel cell or battery, and you get more cold boiling hydrogen from tap water or extremely fast "cold

current" battery charging. This is a solid state device, with no adjustments or moving parts. For plans go to www.ritalie.com Update: The conditioning of the plates makes a tremendous difference in the HHO output. If your plates are conditioned, the cell impedence drops, voltage goes up, frequency goes up, and gas output goes up. I was wrong when I said that "conditioning doesn't matter" because it is really all about conditioning. Conditioning is one of the most important parts about this process. The proper conditioning only occurs when you use cold current, high voltage without electrolyte (static electricity pulses).

At the input J we need a Variable duty cycle (probably you already know this) Frequency didn't do much, can be 1kHz. Stan said the Voltage Amplitude Control should use it's own power supply, not the same as the driver etc. ! p3-5 WFC 422 DA ...electrically isolated (crossover voltage from separated power supplies)...

Yes but i do not think he actually means a different physical supply, remember we are working on a system to be put in a car here working of the car battery. The traced connections indicate that using it's own power supply here means that the Voltage Amplitude Control is connected directly to the 12V car battery and driving the primairy coil. The rest of the circuits are connected to the 10V voltage regulator and not influenced by t he battery power fluctuations. Something else to be carefull with is power fluctuations between components, on the original vic there are 33nF capacitors between power and ground at all IC's, why? Well the 4046 and 555 and 318 and 741 all depend with there output signal on the power supplied to it. If for example the 4046 is fed with 15V for a moment instead of 10V it will output a 15V pulse instead of a 10V pulse. That may very well be the spikes you had in your signal. So to work with clean signals all IC's need to be decoupled as close as possible to the IC itself with a 33nF capacitor. It is not in the current uploaded project version yet but i will upload the latest version as soon as possible. ===================== Here's a simple voltage control circuit that I came up with instead of using the one Stan has in his VIC circuit. The reason I didn't include Stan voltage control in my circuit was because it really wasnt needed for testing. But this circuit works just fine for me. It uses a 1k and 10k resistor, a 50K POT, and a 2N3055 transistor.

Stanley Meyers VIC CARD

The dark red/brown caps look like Mylar, the tan colored caps look like ceramic, and the yellow ones look like tantalum caps. Tony Wood Side It is not important if you use ceramic or polyester capacitors, their only difference is the way they are constructed, not the way they will function in your circuits. The only thing you need to take into account is if you use polarized or non-polarized caps. Some like the 10uF pulse indicator cap and the 100nF between pin 6 and 7 of the 4046 must be non-polarized. If you compare several images of different vic cards you will notice meyer also used different types of caps for the same positions.

Vic Transformer Values

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notes Recently I've been thinking about the L1 and L2 choke different values. I have come to a 2nd theory on why Stan made the L1 choke a larger value than the L2 choke. Ideally the chokes would be of equal value, but realistically this is not so. The reason i think the choke were made of different values is due to the voltage drop across the blocking diode. Typically you will have a voltage drop across a diode of 0.25v - 1.5v depending on the type. The MUR1550 has a voltage drop of around 1.5v. So this voltage drop would cause a lower voltage output of the L1 choke at resonance and therefore the L1 chokes voltage wouldn't be the same amplitude as the L2 voltage. So Stan had to make the L1 choke bigger in value to compensate for this voltage difference and make them equal in amplitude. Someone suggest to balance the circuit by placing a 2nd diode between the secondary and the L2 choke, but this wouldn't work because the diode on the negative side wouldn't allow the positive voltage cycle from the negative side to pass to the cell. I have tested this and it screws up the sine wave signal at resonance.

Tony and everyone else, When I took the VIC coil readings, I only measured one coil pack.To get those measured reading of mine, I had to take apart the coils.They were all soldered together.Now I didn't even want to do one let alone several of them. So what I'm trying to tell everyone here is to not make too much of just one set of coil readings to mean that they were all the same for every VIC coil set. As you can see by all of the photo's I took,all of these coils were hand wrapped.I seen Stans crude coil winder there and it was just a small motor turning the coils and the wire was feed by hand. So knowing this,my best guess is that they were meant to be the same size.Because they were hand wound, and LCR meters weren't availible back then, it was just close enough.So I make mine with the same number  of turns like Stan probably did.When winding coils this way,you can end up with differnt readings from one coil to another. That's why I'm now making my own CNC coil winder.I should be ready to do a test run today.It took me most of the day yesterday to get the Gcoil code set up on my system to count properly. Don Yea Don I can see what you are saying there. The coils values can vary quite a bit. From t esting that I've done, it looks li ke the main resonance takes place between the L1 coil and the cell. The L2 coil will act as a resistance to current while having virtually no voltage drop across it like a resistor would and while at the same t ime increasing the voltage applied to it and making the voltage 180 degrees out of phase from the L1 coil. Do you agree with me on this?

Another thing that brings me to this conclusion is that in Stan's papers he shows the formula for calculating the resonant frequency and only includes the L1 coil and the cell. Also at resonance XL=XC which will give you a resistance close to zero and that would allow current to be very high, but the L2 chokes XL along with the magnetic coupling would provide an impedance to restrict the high current flow. If you have something increasing the Z value is pointless to call it resonant charging choke. What stan say is that he restrict the amps and allow voltage to take over in a dead short condition. A series circuit is a dead short condition. If you short circuit a battery you have internal resistance that limits the current to a certain value. Similarly stan reminds you secondary resistive wire... The source has an impedance that must be taken into account. to have an ideal voltage source, many batteries in parallel would fit. Alternator... anything with high short current ability. The bifilar choke is needed to act as a switch, my best guess... This way he uses the magnetic energy derived from the resonant line current into forming the other pulse by letting the field to collapse just after the total discharge of the wfc when current is a maximun. As diodes don't allow the current to change direction the other choke will catch the field and recharge

the capacitor with the same polarity. Basically the bifilar choke allow a mechanism where you maintain resonance on a capacitor inductor system but you only charge the capacitor in one direction... You need a switch for that... two of them... stan hided all... and there are other way to connect things other than stan showed consequently. Tony I agree, that's pretty much exactly what I have found as well, resonance between L1 and cell, and L2 restrict amp flow and allows you to produce high voltage across the cell

Tony,I basically agree with most of what you stated.As for resonance taking place between choke 1 and the cell is where I see it differently.Yes resonance will take place there,but most of the resonance is in choke coil 1 itself.The capacitance in the choke is far greater than the cell.When you tune into resonance,disconnect the cell and see what happens.You will see a voltage drop and the frequency will need to be reajusted to get it back.This happens because you removed the small capacitance of the cell,but it will still resonate without the cell. Choke 2 is needed to give you the the opposite voltage potential of choke 1.And I do believe you are onto something with the 180 degree phase shift for choke 2.I have never thought about putting the negative choke out of phase.You lit a light bulb in my head over that one.I will be testing that out when I get my new coils wound. Don

the bottom of the secondary isn't connected to a ground at all, it is t otally isolated and floating. You can test this Va+Vb with a basic +12v and -12v power supply. Just take and connect a voltage meter to the two outputs, positive lead to +ve and negative lead to -ve and you will get 24v.

 have tested this with my VIC Transformer and at a certain frequency the voltage will got 180* out of phase and the voltage will peak! Here is a simulation of 180* out of phase voltage, please tell me where I am wrong at with this.

If you take a center tap transformer, and use the center tap as your ground referance,you will see +12 volts on one side and 12 volts on the other side.Now when you take a ready from the +12 volts leg to the -12 volt le g you get 24 volts.This is what I think Tony is trying to point out,and this is how I see it myself. Don

t operates just like the power supply in a computer....you have a +12v rail and 12v rail and you can combine them to give you +24v. Here's another simulation with the two voltages 180* out phase and you will get the same results.

In the earlier diagram where you changed the polarities of the output of the VIC Transformer isn't correct. This is Stan's diagram from Birth of New Technology...he has the output labeled B+ and B-

This is the way the polarity should be, unlike the way you have it labeled i n your

ed to get it back.This happens because because you removed the small capacitance of the cell,but it will still resonate without the cell. diagram. You can't have two

Choke 2 is needed to give gi ve you the the opposite voltage potential of choke 1.And I do believe you are onto something with the 180 degree phase shift for choke 2.I have never thought about putting the negative choke out of phase.You lit a light li ght bulb in my head over that one.I will be testing that out when I get my new coils wound. Don Removing the capacitor and leaving the circuit open changes the capacitance but the capacitance is still t here from the wire gap, just a lot smaller. smaller. That is why why it is necessary necessary to retune the the frequency. TS

Vic 2 enskarky me goes for the resonant scanning part, i think it can be replaced with a few added components

The gating part for example is using a lot of components while that can be done with a lot less, the same goes for the resonant scanning part, i think it can be replaced with a few added components to the 4046. The gating part for example is using a lot of components while that can be done with a lot less, the sa to the 4046. http://www.stanlThe http://www.stanl The gating part for example is using a lot of components while that can be done with a lot less, the same goes for the resonant scanning part, i think it can be replaced with a few added components to the 4046.

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values « Reply #33 on: November 25, 2011, 02:54:12 am » Tony, Yes now thats 180 degrees! But now if you add them up in the oscilloscope they completely null out. However i still need to argue with you about the polarity of the coil 62, actually is the contrary of what you drawn. Yes i changed for another b+ in the drawing but actually was to mean it is B+- it is - because the diode feed that end with negative voltage but the coil send a positive field over it... I explain to you why: When you have the flux going in one direction and you have the two wires terminating at the same side of the core, the vector product is the same for the two wires, so both are positive terminations. does not mather the direction of the coil arrangement, only only the orientation of the windings... You understand my point?

« Last Edit: November 25, 2011, 10:17:40 am by sebosfato  » here's another simulation of the VIC Transformer that matches my real-time testing. Each voltage tested with ground reference show the voltage to be 180* out of phase and when you measure the voltage from B+ to B- you get the potential difference of the two voltages, meaning voltage doubling of the two single output voltages.

Do you not understand mathematics and basic physics? If you have +12v and -12v then the potential difference is 24. (-12v) (+12) (+12) The distance from the -12 to the +12 is 24 places. In physics, if the molecule is represented as t he 0 and you have a force of -12 on one side and another force of +12 on the other side, what do you think will happen? It will pull the molecule apart. Just like if you were to take and connect chains to each one of your arms and then connect the chains to a device that will pull at the same rate and pressure outwards from the center. It would eventually pull you apart once t he force and pressure is great enough. Basic Physics and Mathematics!

What happens when two "in-phase" voltages are combined? Each 1/2 cycle, each voltage will reach a maximum capacity to do work. While the direction of force is arbitrary, we have picked positive directions

for both voltages such that the direction we call "positive" maximum capacity for both sources is in the same direction. We have defined our voltages such that the rise in i n potential in each conductor is in the same direction, and the capacity to do work will double across both sources. That is what polarity is about: making sure that we align our forces like we want them.

So what happens when two voltages are combined that are out of phase by 180°? Each 1/2 cycle, each voltage will reach a maximum capacity to do work. While the direction of force is arbitrary, we have picked positive directions for both voltages such that the directions we call "positive" maximum capacity are in opposite directions. We have defined our voltages such that the potential rises in each conductor are in opposite directions. However, for the "opposite" voltage, the capacity to do work in the "negative" direction is still there. This "negative" capacity to do work will combine with the "positive" capacity to do work of the other voltage. The capacity to do work will double across both sources. Again, that is what polarity is about: making sure that we align our forces like we want them.

Each two-terminal AC source can have a "positive" direction assigned because direction is arbitrary. That goes back to the fundamental definition of electric potential. The voltage produces a force in both directions and it is our assignment of "positive" and "negative" directions that make the difference. Polarity only helps us to align the forces, whether or not we have called them positive or negative. Why is a 180° difference in the opposite direction not the same as taking the negative of a DC voltage like a battery? A constant DC voltage does not change direction. The capacity to do work always increases in one direction. Because the electric potential always increases in one direction, there is no phase associated with the DC voltage. The AC voltage, on the other hand, has a change in direction every 1/2 cycle. The AC voltage has a phase in addition to the assigned positive and negative. Let's place ourselves between two points that have a difference in potential. Suppose we look in the direction of a voltage rise on a DC source. Then suppose we turn and look in the opposite direction. In that opposite direction we will always see a decrease in electric potential.

Suppose we look in the direction of a voltage rise on an AC source. Then suppose we turn and look in the opposite direction. In that opposite direction, at that instant, we will see a decrease in electric potential. But, if we wait until 180° later, we will see an increase in electric potential. We can make use of the voltage rise in either direction because the choice of direction of voltage rise is just that: a choice. We can prove this by combining two sources with the positive voltage rises defined in opposite directions (two voltage sources with a 180° displacement). The force created by the fall of one voltage combines with the force created by the rise of the other. The currents and flux created by these will be the exact same as those created by combining two sources with positive voltage rises defined in the same direction. It is our assignment of positive and negative that is arbitrary because the AC source has no defined positive and negative direction. Pulsed DC, on the other hand, has some characteristics of AC while retaining the directional characteristics of DC.  Logged

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Re: My 2nd Theory on VIC Chokes of different values « Reply #44 on: November 30, 2011, 02:26:30 am »

Yes, man this is the idea. well 12+12-12 = 12 The wfc receive the positive pulse and later i t receive a negative pulse... when positive the molecules get exited by the polarization process, the bound ceases to exist and during the negative pulses the ions regain the electrons and exit as gas. " is almost an insane statement unless you put it in the proper context. To assume an electrical voltage potential alone can split a water molecule, let alone a few trillion in a container, without any flow of current t hroughout the entire circuit is ludicrous. Take that same statement and use it on an atomic atomic level, it has a different meaning. Just as there is a voltage potential between acids and bases, gases also can take on such characteristics. If we were to mix an unstable mass with a stable mass, what do you suppose would happen? Would it violently react in any way? Suppose we were to mix extremely unstable, positively charged oxygen and hydrogen(electron deficient) with water in a voltage zone of 50Kv or so. What will be the reaction?

Tony,I basically agree with most of what you stated.As for resonance taking place between choke 1 and the cell is where I see it differently.Yes resonance will take place there,but most of the resonance is in choke coil 1 itself.The capacitance in the choke is far greater than the cell.When you tune into resonance,disconnect resonance,disconnect the cell and see what happens.You will see a voltage drop and the frequency will need to be reajust ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Hy. sorry the bad English, I use Google Translate I've had a lot of time to repeat the sample S.Maer cells and t heir operation. here are some photographs from my work.charge voltage on capacitor 150V-350.Input 150V-350.Input voltage from generator 20 v 0.25A

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