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Posted 12 Mar 2008 ·

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Many of us in this group may not be knowing the " Sarvatobhadra-Chakra' system of prediction which is based on the nakshatra based evaluation....would appreciate if you post basics about this techniques......a techniques.. ....a good technique for a perfect prediction pr ediction vis-a-vis vis-a-vis other techniques. techniques....?? ...?? With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas 

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Dear Mr. Srinivas jiI have been working on a comprehensive software for " Sarvatobhadra-Chakra" calculations for some time now. In this process, I learned some basics of SBC from various sources. The software is almost complete. It may decide applicable vedhas, of various planets on various components of  SBC (the "Panchakas"), depending upon their speed and direction of motion. It can also decide "Swara", "Tithi", "Nakshatra", "Rasi" just by choosing the appropriate Varna/ consonant of "Naamakshara". It also considers the "Ek-paad drishti" / "Do-paad drishti" etc. of various planets on various components. To exactly quantify the results, thus achieved, it also considers planet's exaltation, dignity etc.I have developed this software for "personal use" only. I am still in the learning process. However, it would be my pleasure to share my learnings (whatever they are till now) with other learned members of this group. BUT, I can not think of a method as to how I can start from scratch for those who are totally new to SBC?If there are any specific question on SBC, and if I know their answers, I would most happily share them here. I would also request those learned members of this group, who know/use SBC, to kindly come forward in this discussion so that we can discuss on some issues which have contradictions in different available texts.Namaste.Shyam S. Kansal , "sreeram srinivas" > > Dear Mr. Shyam S. Kansal ji,> > Many of us in this group may not be knowing the " Sarvatobhadra-Chakra'> system of prediction which is based on the nakshatra based> evaluation....would appreciate if you post basics about this> techniques......a good technique for a perfect

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Hare rama krishna dear shyam s kansal ji

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we would appreciate if u can start writing on sarvothobhadra chakra let us take a the first step then it will flow out naturaly .And we will support in datas and queries and i know its one of the best methods to see the outcome of query regrds sunil nair  om shreem mahalaxmai namah , "Shyam S. Kansal" > Dear Mr. Srinivas ji> > I have been working on a comprehensive software for "> Sarvatobhadra-Chakra" calculations for some time now. In this process, I> learned some basics of SBC from various sources. The software is almost> complete. It may decide applicable vedhas, of various planets on various> components of SBC (the "Panchakas"), depending upon their speed and> direction of  motion. It can also decide "Swara", "Tithi", "Nakshatra",> "Rasi"  just by choosing the appropriate Varna/ consonant of> "Naamakshara". It also considers the "Ek-paad drishti" / "Dopaad> drishti" etc. of various planets on various components. To exactly> quantify the results, thus achieved, it also considers planet's> exaltation, dignity etc.> > I have developed this software for "personal use" only. I am still in> the learning process. However, it would be my pleasure to share my> learnings (whatever they are till now) with other learned members of> this group. BUT, I can not think of a method as to how I can start from> scratch for those who are totally new to SBC?> > If there are any specific question on SBC, and if I know their answers,> I would most happily share them here. I would also request those learned> members of this group, who know/use SBC, to kindly come forward in this> discussion so that we can discuss on some issues which have> contradictions in different available texts.> > Namaste.> Shyam S. Kansal> 

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Dear Mr. Shyam S. Kansal ji, Continuing on my previous email request on Sarvatobhadrachakra Guests

1) Is it possible to write how different is this method vis-a-vis traditional parashara system, in broad. { Ex.: Parashara Vs. Jamini = House Lords based, Arudha Based...etc...} 2) Suggested books or literature 3) Where all you can apply this..... {ofcourse, everywhere.... may be except for those in a astro_quest i.e. children born in Space_Stations or Moon or...etc.... there is a breed of astros who are already worrying about this and thinking ahead as to how to cast horoscopes in such cases & which Ayanamsa would be used......considering the space strides that USA/China/Japan/Europeans are making} 4) Period of prediction { In parashari systems- Vimshottari considering PD period - 3months, Yogini - less than 30 days...etc..} 5) The technique's past history I am aware that this techniques is a very powerful tool and one can arrive at precise predictions, however, its calculations are tedious, unlike conventional horoscopes can be casted in 5 min flat using a ephemeris or panchang, lack of software support to this method, this technique awareness is very less for various r easons...... Kindly do some post on above lines as time permits...... with some details as how & where you learnt this...etc... members would be http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1419484-sarvatobhadra-chakra/

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interested to know about the multiple techniques that India is famous for and currently we are only scratching the surface....of  astrology, when there is a gold mine..down below.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas 

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Dear Mr. Srinivas jiThank you very much for giving me the starting point for discussion in this group about Sarvatobhadrachakra. I will try my best, with my limited knowledge about SBC, to answer your questions, as the time perm its.Best regards,Shyam S. Kansal===========>> Dear Mr. Shyam S. Kansal ji, Continuing on my previous email request on Sarvatobhadrachakra 1) Is it possible to write how different is this method vis-a-vis traditional parashara system, in broad. { Ex.: Parashara Vs. Jamini = House Lords based, Arudha Based...etc...} 2) Suggested books or literature 3) Where all you can apply this..... {ofcourse, everywhere.... may be except for those in a astro_quest i.e. children born in Space_Stations or Moon or...etc.... there is a breed of astros who are already worrying about this and thinking ahead as to how to cast horoscopes in such cases & which Ayanamsa would be used......considering the space strides that USA/China/Japan/Europeans are making} 4) Period of prediction { In parashari systems- Vimshottari considering PD period - 3months, Yogini - less than 30 days...etc..} 5) The technique's past history I am aware that this techniques is a very powerful tool and one can arrive at precise predictions, however, its calculations are tedious,

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unlike conventional horoscopes can be casted in 5 min flat using a ephemeris or panchang, lack of software support to this method, this technique awareness is very less for various r easons...... Kindly do some post on above lines as time permits...... with some details as how & where you learnt this...etc... members would be interested to know about the multiple techniques that India is famous for and currently we are only scratching the surface....of  astrology, when there is a gold mine..down below.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas 

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Dear Sreenivas ji, Kansal ji,SBC is really a very fine technique and gives astounding results when applied properly. I have no clue as to where the technique has its origins, but I've tried to follow what has been given in Jatak Bharnam. Since it's quite cumbersome to apply the technique, we fall prey to shortcuts and hardly ever use it. It is indeed worth taking up and I thank you for launching the good work. If mr. kansal develops a software to make the SBC, we'll have an excellent tool in hand.What our rishis found with their divya drishti....at least we could apply with our compu drishti...  All the best...i'll be ever ready to be of any help in this...regardsneelamOn 13/03/2008, Shyam S. Kansal > Dear Mr. Shyam S. Kansal ji, Continuing on my previous email request on Sarvatobhadrachakra http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1419484-sarvatobhadra-chakra/

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1) Is it possible to write how different is this method vis-a-vis traditional parashara system, in broad. { Ex.: Parashara Vs. Jamini = House Lords based, Arudha Based...etc...} 2) Suggested books or literature 3) Where all you can apply this..... {ofcourse, everywhere.... may be except for those in a astro_quest i.e. children born in Space_Stations or Moon or...etc.... there is a breed of astros who are already worrying about this and thinking ahead as to how to cast horoscopes in such cases & which Ayanamsa would be used......considering the space strides that USA/China/Japan/Europeans are making} 4) Period of prediction { In parashari systems- Vimshottari considering PD period - 3months, Yogini - less than 30 days...etc..} 5) The technique's past history I am aware that this techniques is a very powerful tool and one can arrive at precise predictions, however, its calculations are tedious, unlike conventional horoscopes can be casted in 5 min flat using a ephemeris or panchang, lack of software support to this method, this technique awareness is very less for various r easons...... Kindly do some post on above lines as time permits...... with some details as how & where you learnt this...etc... members would be interested to know about the multiple techniques that India is famous for and currently we are only scratching the surface....of  astrology, when there is a gold mine..down below.... With regards, Sreeram_Srinivas 

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Here are my replies to your questions, to the best of my abilities:

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>>> 1) Is it possible to write how different is this method vis-à -vis traditional parashara system, in broad. { Ex.: Parashara Vs. Jamini = mHouse Lords based, Arudha Based...etc...} “Sarvatobhdra-chakra†system is vastly different from what we call today the “Parashara system†and “Jaimini systemâ€. Major  differences between SBC and Parashara/Jaimini system may be listed as follows: - There are no such thing like “Dashas†in SBC. - Sun, Mars, Saturn, Rahu & Ketu are always considered “malefic†in SBC irrespective of the fact that they might bec Lagna-lord or 9th lord etc. Weak Moon and afflicted Mercury are also considered malefic. - Jupiter, Venus, strong Moon and unafflicted Mercury are always considered "benefic" irrespective of the fact that they might be 6th lord or  8th lord. - The main basis of SBC is transit of planets in "Nakshatras" instead of "Signs". - Instead of 27 Nakshatras, there is additional 28th Nakshatra, "Abhijit" in SBC. - The main basis of SBC is "Swara" (the sound) of a name. I think, this is the main difference between SBC and other  systems.

>>> 2) Suggested books or literature "Narapati Jayacharya" is the original source of all literature on SBC. Some good books on SBC are available in Hindi language, such as: - "Sarvatobhadrachakram" by Pt. Meetha Lal Vyaas - "Sarvatobhadrachakra" by Pandya Moti Lal Nagar  - "Sarvatobhadrachakram" by http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1419484-sarvatobhadra-chakra/

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Brahmanand Tripathi In English, I have not came across very good literature on SBC, comparable to the above mentioned Hindi books. However, following book, in English, is a good book: - "Varahamihira's Sarvato Bhadra Chakra" by N.N.Krishna Rau The following book is reasonable and may give reasonable insights into SBC to new students: -"Mystics of Sarvato Bhadra Chakra and Astrological predictions" by M.K. Agarwal

>>> 3) Where all you can apply this..... {ofcourse, everywhere.... may be except for those in a astro_quest i.e. children born in Space_Stations or Moon or ...etc.... there is a breed of astros who are already worrying about this and thinking ahead as to how to cast horoscopes in such cases & which Ayanamsa would be used......considering the space strides that USA/China/Japan/Europeans are making} - The SBC can tell you very precisely that "How is your day today", perhaps even, "how is this hour for you". - Malefic and benefic vedhas at question time decide the fate of  a horary chart and thus highly useful in answering a "Prashna". - I think, SBC can not answer the questions like “How many children the native would have?†or “Will the native will have a love marriage or arranged marriage?†or “What occupation will the native will adopt?â  € and like that. (it is my personal opinion, may be wrong !!) - However, SBC can tell whether the native will enjoy the marriage or not? Whether his venture will go on the right track etc. etc., by checking SBC vedhas at the time of marriage and muhurta of the venture. http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1419484-sarvatobhadra-chakra/

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- The foremost use of SBC is in "Financial astrology" (or  "Business astrology"). Perhaps this is the ONLY SYSTEM which has been advocated in ancient texts for deciding the market trends of  various metals and commodities, hour-by-hour, day-by-day and week-by-week. The legendary astro-trader from Chicago, W.D. Gann, came to India about 100 years ago and lived in "Kashi" for two years. He learnt some mystic techniques there went back to USA where he earned "millions of dollars" within years with the help of a mystique "Square of nine". The point to be noted is that SBC is also a "square of nine" containing "eighty one squares" in total. Search Google for "W.D. Gann" and you will find a lot of material on Gann. You will notice a striking similarity between SBC and Gann's "Square of  Nine". A small article on W.D. Gann is also available on my own website, at following page: http://howisyourdaytoday.com/HistrTrd.Htm

>>> 4) Period of prediction { In parashari systems- Vimshottari - considering PD period - 3months, Yogini - less than 30 days...etc..} I have found this system the "Best tool" till date in my personal experience to decide "How is your day today". I have seen cases where running Dasa was excellent, Ashtakvarga transits were excellent but person was feeling un-well. Answer came through only SBC.

>>> 5) The technique's past history I don't know much about the history of SBC. But the fact that Varahmihira wrote about it in detail, shows that it is several centuries old, if not thousands of  years old. Somebody told me that "Agni-purana" also mentions about http://www.indiadivine.org/content/topic/1419484-sarvatobhadra-chakra/

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SBC. Though I have not seen "Agni-purana" myself. If it is true, than, antiquity of the technique would increase by manymany centuries. Mr. N.N.Krishna Rau writes in his book that Mantreshwara’s “Phala-Deepika†is one of the “big-five†works on astrology, the most condensed book, clear cut in expression, yet covering a much wider field than other texts. There is chapter  allotted in this book to Nakshatra-gochara, Vedha, Latta etc. viz. Chpter XXVI. These are principal items in SBC. In Sloka 47, ibid, Mantreshwara mentions about Sarvatobhadra Chakra, adding that the benefic and malefic vedhas have to be considered in predicting transit effects. The mere fact that a highly condensed treatise as “Phala Deepika†has allotted half a chapter covering most of the rules and regulations to this Chakra illustrates the importance attached to it by an authority like Mantreswara, the most recent writer.

I hope, the above information is found useful by the learned members. Best regards, Shyam S. Kansal , "sreeram srinivas" available on my own website, at following page:> > http://howisyourdaytoday.com/HistrTrd.Htm> > > >>> 4) Period of prediction { In parashari systemsVimshottari -> considering PD period - 3months, Yogini - less than 30 days...etc..}> > I have found this system the "Best tool" till date in my personal> experience to decide "How is your day today". I have seen cases where> running Dasa was excellent,  Ashtakvarga transits were excellent but> person was feeling unwell. Answer came through only SBC.> > > >>> 5) The technique's past history> > I don't know much about the history of SBC. But the fact that> Varahmihira wrote about it in detail, shows that it is several centuries> old, if not thousands of years old. Somebody told me that "Agni-purana"> also mentions about SBC. Though I have not seen "Agni-purana" myself. If> it is true, than, antiquity of the technique would increase by many-many> centuries.> > Mr. N.N.Krishna Rau writes in his book that -> > Mantreshwara’s “Phala-Deepika†is one of the> â  €œbig-five†works on astrology, the most condensed book,> clear cut in expression, yet covering a much wider field than other> texts. There is chapter allotted in this book to Nakshatragochara,> Vedha, Latta etc. viz. Chpter XXVI. These are principal items in SBC. In> Sloka 47, ibid, Mantreshwara mentions about Sarvatobhadra Chakra, adding> that the benefic and malefic vedhas have to be considered in predicting> transit effects. The mere fact that a highly condensed treatise as> â  €œPhala Deepika†has allotted half a chapter covering most> of the rules and regulations to this Chakra illustrates the importance> attached to it by an authority like Mantreswara, the most recent writer.> > > > I hope, the above information is found useful by the learned members.> > Best regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> 

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I think Mr. M.K.Agrawal's contact info is printed with the " Preface " of  the book. I do not have his book with me in the office at the moment. If  you have his book with you, please read the " Preface by Author  ". Kind regards, Shyam S. Kansal 

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Dear Sunil jiSarvatobhadra-chakra has been used by Indian businessmen, for judging the future market trends of various commodities and metals, since at least 100 years. In Jyotish, market astrology is called "Argha-kand" and ancient learned scholars of SBC have done extensive work on "Arghakand"."Narpatijayacharya" is a gem on SBC, written centuries ago by Narpati. Pt. Meetha Lal Vyas etc. have done extensive researches on this text and written methodologies for applying SBC to forecast various markets. It would require a lot of time to write details as to how SBC is applied in financial astrology, which is not currently possible for me. Still I would try to write some salient points:You need, first of all, to determine lords of  "Desh", "Kaal" and "Panya": "Desh" = Place (Country/ State/ City) "Kaal" = Time (Year/ Month/ Day) "Panya" = The commodity itselfThere is a set of about three planets each for  every combination and you need to determine the exact strength among those planets to decide which three planets should be considered "Lord" of above three subjects. Thereafter, relationship of Vedha causing planets with these lords is determined, besides the "Quantum" of vedhas on concerned five elements ("Panchakas") of commodity etc.Best regards,Shyam S. Kansal , "sunil nair" Dear Sunil ji> > Sarvatobhadra-chakra has been used by Indian businessmen, for judging> the future market trends of various commodities and metals, since at> least 100 years. In Jyotish, market astrology is called "Argha-kand"> and ancient learned scholars of SBC have done extensive work on> "Argha-kand".> > "Narpatijayacharya" is a gem on SBC, written centuries ago by Narpati. > Pt. Meetha Lal Vyas etc. have done extensive researches on this text and> written methodologies for applying SBC to forecast various markets. It> would require a lot of time to write details as to how SBC is applied in> financial astrology, which is not currently possible for me. Still I> would try to write some salient points:> > You need, first of all, to determine lords of "Desh", "Kaal" and> "Panya":> > "Desh" = Place (Country/ State/ City)> "Kaal" = Time (Year/ Month/ Day)> "Panya" = The commodity itself> > There is a set of about three planets each for every combination and you> need to determine the exact strength among those planets to decide which> three planets should be considered "Lord" of above three subjects.> Thereafter, relationship of Vedha causing planets with these lords is> determined, besides the "Quantum" of vedhas on concerned five elements> ("Panchakas") of commodity etc.> > Best regards,> Shyam S. Kansal> 

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Sunil ji, Namaste.First of all, I wish to clarify my status about SBC. I am not an expert on SBC. Just trying to understand this very complex system of ancient Jyotish through self-reading. Simultaneously, I am also developing a software on SBC, integrating all those concepts which are coming my way during systematic reading.The SBC software is not yet complete (which I hope to complete within next month) and therefore have not yet tested any results on actual markets. With this personal background on SBC, I would now dare to provide my views:While working on scripts, we need to fix "Desh-swami" (Country lord) also. The Bombay Stock exchange, Dow Jones, Nikkei etc. do not move in similar directions always.- If you are predicting intra-day movement, you need to choose "Din-swami" (the Day lord) only. If you are trying to predict long-term prospects (say for coming one year), you need to fix "Maas-swami" (monthlord) and if you are trying to predict from a very long term perspective, the "Varsh swami" (year lord) is needed to be chosen.I may be wrong. I would be grateful if somebody from this august gathering of learned Jyotish scholars corrects me.In fact, I am quite surprised to see the silence on discussion about "Sarvatobhadra chakra" among a very active group of 2000 plus members. I know, many of them are highly learned. I am sure, many of them would be expert in SBC technique.Regards,Shyam S Kansal , "sunil nair" Jyotish through self-reading. Simultaneously, I am also developing a> software on SBC, integrating all those concepts which are coming my way> during systematic reading.> > The SBC software is not yet complete (which I hope to complete within> next month) and therefore have not yet tested any results on actual> markets.> > With this personal background on SBC, I would now dare to provide my> views:> > - While working on scripts, we need to fix "Desh-swami" (Country lord)> also. The Bombay Stock exchange, Dow Jones, Nikkei etc. do not move in> similar directions always.> > - If you are predicting intra-day movement, you need to choose> "Dinswami" (the Day lord) only. If you are trying to predict longterm> prospects (say for coming one year), you need to fix "Maas-swami"> (month-lord) and if you are trying to predict from a very long term> perspective, the "Varsh swami" (year lord) is needed to be chosen.> > I may be wrong. I would be grateful if  somebody from this august> gathering of learned Jyotish scholars corrects me.> > In fact, I am quite surprised to see the silence on discussion about> "Sarvatobhadra chakra" among a very active group of 2000 plus members. I> know, many of them are highly learned. I am sure, many of them would be> expert in SBC technique.> > Regards,> Shyam S Kansal> >

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