Nadi Astrology

Nadi Astrology - Part 1 Written by: Pemmaraju V.R.Rayudu ([email protected]) Source: http://webpages.charter.net/rayudu/nadiastrology.htm The following article was published in "The Times of Astrology"magazine, New Delhi, India Jan 2000.

Introduction Most of the readers may be knowing by now about Nadi astrology, since many articles have been published in magazines and newspapers. Some books were also published and much exchange of information has been taking place through internet and e-mail. For the benefit of those who are not familiar with this branch of astrology I give a brief background of the same from the reliable literature. Nadi astrology was written on palm leaves in ancient India. It is mostly prevalent in South India particularly in the Tamilnadu State. Its main center is a place called 'Vaitheerswarankoil' near 'Chidambaram'in Tamilnadu State. It is also available in some other places of Chennai, Kanchipuram, Salem, Hyderabad/Secunderabad, Tirupati etc. There are many Nadi Grandhas and they are named after Hindu Gods, Sages and Planets such as Mahasiva Nadi, Brugu Nadi, Kowmara Nadi , Koushika Nadi, Vashishta Nadi Agastya Nadi, Sapta Rishi Nadi, SatyaNadi Chandra Kala Nadi etc. They are available in the languages of Tamil, Sanskrit mainly. The palm leaves are held by certain families who read the results from the palm leaves mostly by taking the thumb impression and some from palm and birth data. I also propose to discuss brief examples of actual readings from thumb prints or otherwise from some nadi astrologers, their veracity with respect to past and future, correlation with traditional astrological principles, my experiences, opinion of others, doubts and questions, further research required on the same. This is based on my collection of data and research for the last three decades

History The origin of these leaves can be traced back to approximately 2000 years ago. It is presumed that the Sapta Rishis (Seven Sages) had written the life patterns of each person on palm leaves along with their types of names by their Yogic Powers. These unique leaves were kept in the Saraswati Mahal' library of Tanjore city of Tamilnadu State in India. Later during the British Rule the British were very keen to

acquire these types of ancient leaves dealing with herbal cure, alchemy, fortune-telling etc; but left some of the astrological leaves to their loyalists. Some were put to auction also. People belonging to a particular sect called Valluvar community who specialized in astrology bought these leaves. Some of these were acquired by the astrology families in Vaitheeswarankoil about 60 years ago from Thanjavur Saraswati Mahal Library . The leaves were found lying idle in Vaitheeswarankoil by about 13th century the forefathers found them realized their values and copied the contents on palm leaves and made exact replica These leaves have been handed down over generations to make predictions. They earned their livelihood through Nadi Astrology. It is a hereditary profession for them. They got trained from their elders to do Nadi reading. What is written on the leaves is read and explained by them. The language is poetic and the script is also different. It is the same as in the ancient temples. Some of the Nadis are available in the Oriental Manuscripts Library at Chennai, India though in mutilated condition and the SaptaRishiNadi was published in Tamil in six volumes lagna wise . The Sanskrit texts were translated and written on palmyra or palm leaves in old archaic tamil language. There were some nadigranthas translated into another South Indian Telugu language. Marata King Sarabhoji and Chola Kings patronized this form of astrology and translations. It is stated that Sage Agasthya has written in Tamil. They have a certain amount of collection leaves. For each thumb print there will be 6 granthas. In each granthas there will be 108 sizes and 12 parts according to Siva Nadi and 50 sizes in Agastyanadi that means for one thumb print many stories of person can be read. In Siva Nadi more details are given as discussion between Lord Siva and Parvati than in Agastya Nadi . It seems that these Nadis were originally written on animal skins and some leaves and later they were copied on palm leaves. They re preserved by applying oil extracted from peacock's blood. The Nadi readers say that natives whose leaves are there will somehow or other comes to them at the appropriate age specified on the leaves from any corner of the world. Leaves are there not only for Indian but for foreigners also belonging to other religions. Who ever are desired to look into the leaves will go to them on his own accord. They very word Nadi in Tamil mean (destined) to come own accord. Those who are not destined may not even know such a type of astrology exists. Even the very age when the native is destined to go to them is marked on the leaves. So they say they do not adventure for their profession. Whoever is destined to come will come faith is the root of their system. It is also stated that about 40% of the people in the world only are likely to get these results as available.

Procedure

The Nadi Astrologer is generally busy and one has to take an appointment with him a month before approximately When you go there on the appointed day he checks his dairy and take the three impressions of the right thumb for males and the left thumb for females on a paper giving serial order number and ask you to wait till he calls you. Then he goes inside his library room where the palm leaves are kept which is not accessible to others. After an hour or so, sometimes quicker, he comes back with an old palm leaf bundle called index leaves. After making himself comfortable he carefully unwinds the long string which keeps the bundle in tact. He tells you to answer yes or no to his questions. With great devotion he takes the first palm leaf and starts reading on one side. The reading style is of funny accent in a poetic way, not understandable to even Tamilians. After reading one or two lines or even less sometimes he asks you some questions and you have to answer yes or no only. If you say 'No' he proceeds to the other side of leaf or next leaf and continues his questions. The questions are generally one or two at a time , such as whether y our name is after some God /Goddess contains 3 or 4 or so letters or so, starts ends with a particular letter in a Varga (series) of the Hindu alphabets, Similarly about the names of parents and wife/husband whether anyone of them or both are alive or dead, number of elder and younger brothers and sisters, number of children number of uncles, type of profession, whether you are born in rainy season /summer etc. whether you are born in moveable /fixed/dual Moon and lagna rasis, whether you are born in a particular Moon Birth star whether you are born in a particular day in a particular year whether your age is so and so etc. He says that h e does not know what questions to ask unless he scans the leaves and that is why they generally insist the concerned person or a person who knows every detail about the persons consulted, should be present to answer the questions correctly, otherwise they say the readings won't go wrong. They do no bother much of you cannot answer questions about birth date month age, Moon rasi and star, lagna and they seem to bother more about matching of your name names of parents and wife/husband. If he gets 'No' answers to all the leaves of the first bundle which he goes back into his library and brings another bundle. This process continues for an hour or so generally covering generally up to bundles each consisting about 50 leaves or sometimes quickly even in the first bundle till he and your are satisfied and the answers to all the questions in a particular leaf are 'yes' only Concerning names, parents, wife /husband, co-borns profession etc. Then he goes inside and bring another particular bundle and reads in poetic style your actual birth date month land year the astrological birth chart with position of planets sometimes with lagna also exact names of yourself, parents, wife/ husband, co-born, education, profession and gist of future predictions in a broad way and this is

called General Kandam (chapter) of first bhava. You can verify the chart given if you know your birth chart he writes the concerned verses from the leaf in a note book . Then he records the same in an audio tape with translation into common understandable Tamil or some other languages with the help of a translator if necessary . He generally charges a minimum of 300 rupees upto this General Kandam Then he asks you whether you want to more details about any particular aspect of your life such as marriage, profession, etc and if so he picks up corresponding bundle and charges a similar amount extra for each aspect which he calls it a separate kandam or chapter. Some chapters give details about previous birth, remedial measures etc. At the end he hands over the note book and audio tape to you with devotion and takes money generally at the place where the photos of Gods /Goddess are there.

Details Of Kandams (Chapters) The details covered in each Kandam generally are as follows:Kandam 1 - To be found through thumb impression (gents right, ladies left or sometimes by horoscope of the concerned person or palm, will contain name parents and wife/husband's names brothers, sisters, maternal uncles, children, profession and general list of future predictions for all the 12 houses. Kandam 2 - Money family speech, eyes, education. Kandam 3 - Brothers and Sisters Kandam 4 - Mother ,House, Lands, Vehicles, Pleasures Kandam 5 - Children Birth of children, reasons for not having children. Kandam 6 - Enemies, Diseases, Debts, cases in court. Kandam 7 - Marriage., Married life Kandam 8 - Danger to life, longevity, period of death. Kandam 9 - Father, Wealth, luck, Temple devotion to God ,Preaching from Holyman Kandam 10 - Business, Job, Profession Kandam 11 - Gain , Second Marriage. Kandam 12 - Expenditure , Foreign visit, salvation,next birth.

Kandam 13 - Shanthi Kandam - Last Birth, Sins committed, remedial measures Kandam 14 - Deekshakandam- Mantra Japam and wearing of talisman (Raksha) Kandam 15 - Avushathakandam Medicines for long standing diseases. Kandam 16 - Dasa Bhuktikandam prediction for the present major and subperiod of the planet. In addition to these, there is also a special chapter for 'Prasna' where any query is answered. Generally Remedial measures are like visiting particular temple, feeding the poor etc, corresponding to sins the remedial measures re suggested. Suggestion of giving alms to the Nadi reader.

Identification Process From Thumb Print Impression Lines on the thumb are classified in 1008 types, some say 108 types. Palm leaves are arranged according to these types. The Nadi readers identify the particular types of lines on the thumb and the corresponding set of palm leaves is taken. For example, a particular type is called Conch Shell with a circle. Among these there are many sub-divisions based on the number of dots on the thumb. Impressions with 5 or more dots are very rare. The time duration to pick up your leaf depends upon the identification of the thumb impression. Some impressions are identified easily and the corresponding leaves are found soon, for legal purposes, the whole thumb is studied minutely. But they concentrate only on the centre part of the thumb and the subdivisions therein.

Claims Of Nadi Readers According to the claim of Nadi astrologers the contents of the leaf are 99% accurate. And it is the accuracy that has made people from diverse walks of life throng his residence. Generally he insists on seeing only about 5 people a day on appointment, which is usually fixed a month in advance. Without the truth and integrity, they cannot survive for so many years and generations. Of course, there are places

where there are fake leaves. They will not be able to show the leaf with your name and other details they have clients from USA, Canada , Japan, Hongkong, Singapore, Sri Lanka, Malaysia and other places. Some even faxes their thumb impressions and gets the predictions. They have translators with them to serve them their children are also inherent in this profession and they are learning the old script and other languages. With the blessings of their ancestors, they will continue for generations. They have so many people benefited by the remedial measures and they get feed back from the clients. Pleased with their service, they bring their friends and other relatives for Nadi reading. They would like to tell the people that they are only 'Nadi readers'. What is written on the leaves is read and explained by them. They themselves do not add anything. Some clients get irritated when some of the facts are unpleasant. They cannot help it. With utmost patience they clear their doubts. Common people and VIPs (very important persons) from all walks of life have consulted them. They show them the particulars of where the predictions for the native are given. Some of their customers are able to read the leaves on their own. Some even buys their leaves for preservation. They can even take photographs of the names in the leaf. It is possible to train those who are interested in learning nadi Jyotish in terms of Guru-Shishya parampapra (teacher-Discipline system)and Sanskrit languages, and this knowledge of Nadi Jyotish could be acquired by those who are totally dedicated lifelong to this Shastra (science). However, the future of the leaves themselves seems to be uncertain. Though the leaves are smeared with Ayurvedic act, the leaves would turn black after 100 years or so. While they plan to save the contents of the leaf on the computer, they have their own doubts about doing that. They will not feel the same reverence reading the computer prints out as they do when they read the leaf.

Some Examples Of Actual Nadi Readings I prefer to give below three Nadi Readings taken from me from different Nadis and Readers, so that their veracity can be discussed authentically, since I cannot give here all t e readings from various Nadis consulted at different places at different times which also gave some correct future results.

Kowmara Nadi Reading In Chennai My first encounter with a Nadi Grantha was on 22nd February 1968 (in my 29th year) when my father -in-law Shri U.G.Krishna Murthy (Philosopher and World traveler , popularly known as U.G.) having known my interest in the study and research of astrology, took me

personally to Kowmara Nadi astrologer (Shri T.Chandrasekhar) in Madras (now Chennai) India, since h e knew Tamil also. I happened to see the correct Kowmara Nadi Readings of my father-in-law much earlier , which was given by the father of the present nadi reader. The Nadi Reader asked whether I knew my date and birth chart and he said it would be faster to pick up the concerned leaf. I gave him the same./ Then the procedure was the same , he brought back some index cards and asked me questions to answer yes or no leaf after leaf. Some of the questions whether my name and my father's name were given after the name of Lord Venkateswara, whether I have one sister and one son, whether my wife's name was after one of the names of wives of Trimurthy's (Bhrahma ,Vishnu,Maheshwara) etc. I asked for my profession (10th Kanda) and he wrote the readings in Tamil verses in a notebook and translated in English as follows. "After praying to Goddess Parvati , Vasista and Viswamitra are narrating the tenth part of a person having following horoscope"- Ravi Buddha and Kuja in Simha, Guru in Khumba, Ketu in Mesha , Chandra in Makara , Sani in Meena, Tula Linga, Sucker and Rahu in Lagna. Name Venkata Ramana , Mother Annapurna, Father Venkat Rao. The Lord of the 10th house being Chandra is deposited in kendra. Sukra is in his own house and is expected by ketu. Guru and Sani are in parivartana. Kuja and Buddha in the 11th house. For these reasons he will have average ancestral property. He will have a very good start in his career and makes a great deal of progress in all his enterprises. The details are as follows. "He completes his education in 21st year and proficiency will be shown in vocational education . He will be employed in the following year. He will be skillful in making the necessary parts of machines and service will be rendered to a private commercial firm. He will be paid adequately. Government will be helpful to him in the part of his work from 23rd year . He will be engaged in the manufacture of defense articles He will show his efficiency in planning and designing various equipments. He will have a great name in 27th year. He will be occupied in the making of high explosives which is planned by tubelike things and also things, which are useful shooting with the intention damaging lives and properties. The practical work will be intensified in the 28th year. The scientific knowledge in the matter will be made full. His power will raise. He will see whether the work is carried out properly . His skill will be encouraged in the 30th year and he enriches his knowledge by scrutinizing and analyzing the operation of various missiles. He will be engaged in miscellaneous kind of activities his capacities for organization will be developed in the following three years. His income will be satisfactory. He makes out various plans and executes . He earned a good name in 35th year. Takes charge of various sub divisions The number of tools and machines to be operated by him will be increased various departments will come under his

control . Good results will be achieved in 38th year. Work relating to planning sketches will be on the increase. He will be well- known in distant places or countries. He will be able to conduct and control all the affairs of the department. New schemes will be prepared in the 40th year and the scale of pay will be better than before. He is capable of giving training to others and will have great name in the industrial circles. He offers advice in all matters of manufacture in the following two years. He will show his strength in the technical side and he will hold an extraordinary power. He will be honored by Central Government. He wins the confidence of the administrators and works for them with greater enthusiasm. Administrative responsibilities will be taken over by him in 48th year. His attention will be concentrated on raw materials. He will be held in high esteem by an association where scientific and technical people join together for promoting their studies. His strength and efficiency will go in 50th year and makes necessary arrangements for the development of the work he undertakes. He will be able to manage the establishment more efficiently than ever and maintains his position through out . When Maharishis said so Parvati remarked that those who are closely associated with him in the work would hinder him . She said that he will get away from the these evils by performing Karma Kanda."

Comments on this Reading I should comment that all the past and future details are correct, covering the birth chart, exact names, engineering degree, first job in private paper mills, and latter in central government in defense research and development laboratories in guns and rockets., promotions, hidden enemies etc except the" maintaining this position throughout" since I took voluntary retirement at my 52nd age and not work any where subsequently having specific profession except pursuing my astrology and philosophy hobbies. But strangely it may be noticed that no detailed profession was given after 50th year. Some astrological discussions are made. I took karma kanda also and the reading prescribed prayers to certain gods/goddesses each day in a week along with certain diet for certain number of weeks etc, the details of which h I do not give here due to problem of space. I did the prescribed remedial measures and I cannot vouchsafe that they really helped me, but generally the profession was all right with some usual disappointments. Subsequently I went to him after my retirement but he said that my leaf of profession was not available which almost confirmed that I will not have any job later.. The readings seem to be based on Saturn transit of 2 ½ year in each rasi. The readings are crisp and straightforward.

Vasishta Nadi In Vaitheeswarankoil The following are the readings given by Sri I T.Ravi nadi reader in Vasistha nadi in Vaitheeswarankoil on 27 June 1991(age 52) after the thumb impression and initial usual questions for general kanda ,profession kanda and shanti kanda.

General Kanda "Vasishta is narrating. Tamil year Vegudhanya, Tamil 22nd day, Wednesday, thula lagna, Lagna Sukra Rahu, Shravana Star, Makara Chandra, Meena Starun, Jupiter Khumba, Mesham Ketu, Surya Kuja Budha in Leo, this is planet position,Birth place Andhra Brahmin, father mother died, one borther one sister, your are graduate, no ancestral property, now house, male one son, now 71/2 year Sani, so results will be dull, longevity 75, son and wife Deergha Ayushu (long life) brother , sister deerghaayushu. Jeevanakarara Moon in kendrasthana in Makara - Government job engineering job, retired and then get money from government, ever after retirement you will get money through other subsidiary (not permanent) jobs, temporary business and also possible , son good education , got married and living with his wife, now in present period the problems due to curse in last janma, the troubles are restlessness, not peaceful, in order toward off curses, parihara is to be done in a religious way, from 55 you are having good life name and fame are assured, as Saturn transit keeps on happening you will get improvement towards end of life will have enough wealth, by 60 you will be able get several lakhs of rupees, at 60 you may get nervous trouble, there is no gandam (life danger) the assets will be basically of permanent nature and you will not lose them, in family God's blessings are everlast, wife also will get often health problems, kalatrakaraka in 7th and Mars and sun in one place it gives problems to wife, even though some troubles due to Sani dasa once coming succeeding dasa will give prosperity to him, father nameVenkata Rao, mother name Annapurna, wife name Bharathi, your name Venkata Ramana Rayudu, you will have good life only after end of sani all obstructions will be over, after that desires will be fulfilled.

Profession Kanda "Vasishta bowed to Eshwari and then telling about Jeevana sthana, good education, good job, you have retired, after marriage wife is there one son, now 71/2 year Sani, in this you will have some troubles

and dejection, because Jeevanasthana got spoiled even after retirement from government service there is no business life, now your are doing subsidiary jobs, now y our doing new type latest jyothisham even in that you will get some obstructions, you won'' get much income on that only after Jupiter transit August 7th you will find improvement in your new astrology, you will be making the use of computers, after 7th August foreign travel is likely with wife, your visit abroad will give a link with astrology, after this foreign visit there is a chance for publishing a book on astrology, because of this publication you will get a good name, at 55 you will get many more successes and fame, you will be employing lot of people (assistants) lot of people will come in search of you, that also you get through God's blessing after that you will have establishment with foreign countries vehicles etc, at 58 you will be really in the much more advance stop of your career, you can gain famous only through your new astrology because of this you will gain lot of income after 58 you will build a new house, after Sani period your foreign travels will be quite often you will derive happiness in your mind for your achievements. You will be a torch bearer for others to lead a good life, you will get good concentration God's Bhakti without any lack your life will be prosperous and you will be always thinking about God also at 62d you will establish good contacts with holy people and big political and influential people without any fear you will lead good life, God's blessings will ever continue, but Pariharam is a must, Jnanamarg can be achieved due to your planetary position, your name will be remembered in many countries, you will earn money through many sources by 70 you will a mass wealth . Always you will live comfortably with wife, son children family.

Shanti Kanda "Vasishta is naratting, next poornima in Tanjore district, Ananda Mangalam Place, temple Anjaneya, deepam, archana, feeding poor people then come to nadi place, three fruits, three flowers, clothes to one male (Dhoti towel and shirt) and female (saree and blouse) Rs.324/-to Nadi person and get his blessings, this dosha will vanish, future life prosperous, comforts in rest of life, reciting God's name as well as new astrology will give peace of mind, people will be surprised to see such a nice life to you, never you will lose the property, you will never be in debt, no separation in family if pariharam is done religiously then without fear the above phalas will materialize."

Comments On This Reading

I should comment again almost all the past and future events till now are correct covering birth date 7th Sept,1938, Shravana star, Thula Lagna) birth chart names retirement, new research computer astrology, first foreign trip to USA in June 1992 with wife as astrology to give lecture in the conventions of American Federation of Astrologers , Publishing of book "How to read a Horoscope A scientific model of predictions based on benefic and malefic analysis of planets and bhavas "by M/s.Motilal Banarsidass Publisher of Delhi, India, assistants helping in computer astrology print outs, people coming in search of me, extension of present house, more research in astrology, meditations, nervous trouble wife's ill health etc, except for some funny astrological statement of "Kalatra Karaka in 7th and Jeevanakaraka Moon in Kendrasthana Makara Government job and engineering job "you will gain lot of income through y our new astrology" Since I get only very limited amount only. Here also the stress of the reading s seems to be more from transits of Saturn and Jupiter though touching the main dasa periods. The readings are again very crisp and straightforward. ".I hope that further future readings will also agree. The remedial measures prescribed certain place and God in Tamilnadu and to give money and clothes to Nadi Reader. This seems of a bit of manipulation of reading. I did not do the, specifically since I go usually to Anjaneya temple nearby my house. The future results are given from the date of consultation at certain ages and the timing of past events are not given.

Another Vasishtanadi in Vastheeshwarankoil Here is another reading by the nadi reader, V.Sellaiyan(in Shri C Poosumutthu group) from Vasistha nadi same date 27June 1999(age 52) after taking thump impression and scanning index leaves:General Reading: "This is the horoscope of Venkata Ramana. After worshiping lord Brahma and Ammal, Vasistha is describing the life history of VenkataRamana Ayya. Janmalagnam Thula, bahudhanya varsham, avani masam(around September) Wednesday 22day, tiruvanam 9(sravana) nakshatra, is born in reputed family, at the age of around 5 and 6 bodily ailments due to heat, mother also would have got similar ailments; family hesitance is there, father also got social source, among friends circle status and fame, life is very peaceful without any downfall; not when even through his education could not progress well after 10th year good advance in education, what ever work undertaken that will be done to satisfaction, you will able to accumulate wealth and navadhanyam, after 18th year graduation study, mechanical engineering, before 23rd he will attain degree, after that also he will continue studies, after 25th year you will be in responsible government

position, the job will be in defense machine ,at 26 married, good wife and lives with her in comforts, before 30 age you will get birth of child, you will continue in defense forces, after 40 age you will go up in profession, during this period children will get good education, before attainment of 45, you will earn good wealth andgold, after 45 age you will you will be in administrative type of job, god's blessings are always there in the family, good events will take place in the family related to children, in good family care. The marriage of son will take place, Mother's name Annapurna, father's name Venkata Rao, Your name Venkata Ramana, wife's name Bharati, You will have one brother and sister, no daughter for you only one son, now father and mother no more, 7.5 years Saturn is running, now the dasa period effects will not be so good, within yourself you will be feeling some type of dis-satisfaction, now you don't have any job, you don't have any interest in doing any job, sometimes accidents for children, at age of 53 you start this type of vedas to ward of evils which have been done earlier, for that purpose if shanti is to be done you should do it once you remove these events by shanti, there is no need to be frightened for anything for the rest of life, gradually there will be rise in life style, children will be well off, that ever things you feel and desire they will be fulfilled, live happily with wife and children, your son will be continuing his work, son will be doing computer work, at 55 life will be really good, you will purchase some house andplots, you will be enjoying with your grand son, you will be having unity with your brother and sister, you won't have any decease longlasting, you will not have any litigation problem, court cases, any thing business you want to do you should do in your wife's name, finance type of activities you will do in an earnest way, before 58 enough accumulation of wealth in family, at 60 your wife will have gandam, it will come just like that and go off, your son will go abroad, two years he will be working outside in foreign lands, at 60 you will get much more wealth , grains and what not, through your son you will derive entire satisfaction and happiness at the age of around 60 , all comforts in life whatever you want before 62 you will get, around 62,63 you will have breathing problems like Asthama, this will come most unexpected way, people who are around you and your own caste people they will also praise you, you will do help and some donation type of activities, most of the people will appreciate you, you will have like a royal king, at 67 you will be looked after by your son, you will do religious activities in temples, till end of life, you will do social service, because you earns lot of money your kith and kin will prosper well , at 72 there is grandam like heart attack, senses being affected, but it will not effect you, around that time, your son will get left in job, son will lead a royal life, till the end God's blessings are there, whatever it is, pariharam is to be done, once you will do pariharam, you will live happily with family, your own community people will respect you, till the end you will live with your wife and son, your desire will be fulfilled, ever after age 77, you will live, subham". (The birth chart is also given)

Pariharam "Bowing down to Lord Eswara, he is telling the parihara. You have got some papas done in earlier life, on a Sunday Abhisekham to be done for Kali, Sahasranama Archana, put red flowers garland and red cloth, make 'mala' out of line equivalent to your age at that time, five times

pradakshina, feed 51 blind children, like that repeat for 21 Sundays, the evening in Rahu Kala you should go to Durga and put deepam, by means of doing this, whatever regards to sun you have committed will be erased, once you do this pariharm, you will get all comforts in life, with doing this with Good's blessings you will have Deergha Ayush Subham".

Comments on This Reading I should comment here again that almost all past and future all past and future events tell now correct except for some small mistakes here and there, and they are not more specific as in the earlier quoted Vasistha Nadi and here also Saturn transit only is mentioned. There is a difference in the life span and parihara mentioned, though it is also Vasistha Nadi but the reader is different. Here the ages of past events are given in more detail. I did not do the prescribed remedies as Durga temple also. It would not be very easy to correlate and predict the events specifically traditional astrological principles, as given by the Nadi reader. Since 10th lord Moon is in Mars Exaltation house and Mars is with Sun, we can say that the profession may be connected to technical and government. Since 5th and 6th lord parivarthana (exchange of houses) and 5th lord aspect by 12th lord Mercury there can less be children. Since 3rd lord is Retrograde and parivarthana with Saturn and Mars and 11th lord Sun in 11th house with 12th lord Mercury, there can be less number of coborns. Since Saturn in 6th in Meena Rasi aspecting 12th house, and one to being retrograde considered to be in Kumbha aspected by 9th and 12th lord Mercury, and Sun is with 9th and 12th lord foreign travels can be expected in Saturn Dasa-Sun bhukti. The voluntary retirement can be expected in Saturn-Venus period due to shashtashtaka (6thand 8th positions to each other), Saturn in 6th house of service and Venus is lagna lord in lagna giving self involvement and this combination is not considered good as per 'Uttarakalamrutha' grantha when they are both benefit planets. The publication of book can be expected in Saturn -Rahu period Since Saturn aspects 3rd house relating to writings and Rahu is in Jupiter Star connected to astrology. The study of transits of Saturn, Jupiter , Rahu and Ketu may reveal these events . Anyway this would be only a postmortem analysis unless one is very thorough with his astrological principles and highly experienced to progress the chart very professionally to prefix that exact future events before the events occur. However, it would be highly impossible to tell the exact names.

My Experiences

I consulted Kowmara Nadi, Vasistha Nadi, Maha siva vakya tulya Nadi, Kaushika Nadi, Kashyapa Nadi, Suka Nadi, Viswamitra Nadi, Vyasa Nadi, Agastya Nadi, Skanda Nadi in Chennai, Salem, Kanchipuram, Bangalore, Hyderabad, Secunderabad and Tirupati from 1968 onwards till now for myself, wife, son and other friends. Only at places recently at Hyderabad I was told that my leaf was not available and it should be got from Vaitheeswarankoil. Here are some of my brief reactions about the same;- After taking the thumb print, nobody asked me my date and time of birth no different appointments, nobody monitored behind the screen in other room, being an astrologer myself I was very careful not to give any clues. In the index scanning, leaf after leaf they asked whether moon star or lagna in chara or sthira or dwiswabhava rasi whether my name and names of wife and parents certain names after some God or Goddess or contained certain number of letter, sounds of letters whether present age is so and so whether coborns are so many numbers whether parents alive or dead, whether born certain seasons year month and dates etc Moon star etc etc They never asked the exact ones and I never told the exact ones till end. Now the real trick to tell exactly about your date of birth, names coborns etc comes into play. Even if an exact chart with degrees of planets given can an astrologer tell these purely from astrological principles may be if he is thorough with his subject highly experiences but definitely no as far as telling the exact names probably in names likely may sound unless h e has got some extraordinary psychic powers . Then how do they tell with a broad chart. The exact past events and names when the detailed charts of twins also differ. I did not check the twins' charts with them and it would be worthwhile to do that for this research. So at this stage there must be having some method to correct the available nearest chart to give your readings. I heard that they rewrite the leaves at certain intervals of time as per the coding and system mentioned in some introductory to such to the cycles of time I am not sure. Or their recitation of some mantra would be enabling them to tell the events through some spirit. How did Sage Satyacharya write in Dhruvanadi a life pattern for each nadi amsha and, without fixing the nadi amsha one should not proceed further and he did not tell how to tell exact names. Are these so-called nadi readers are conversant with intricacies of astrology at all. I interviewed with some of them with some astrological talk, while reading they said they did not know much of astrology and said they were trained for 10 to 12 years how to pick up and read the leaves. Even if you cannot answer some of his questions pertaining to astrological debut such as moon position, moon star, lagna position etc, and some times even your birth date and month year since you do not know your birth data and chart, the nadi fellow tells your date of

birth, chart, exact names etc. So it seems to me that the linking the exact names play a vital role and you can easily see the veracity of this since another person with some chart cannot have the same names of theirs and parents. Even in twins with 3 minutes birth difference the names of twins differ but sound similar but with different charts, but same names of parents. Being an astrologer I can easily see this whole process is to know the position of planets Saturn, Jupiter, Rahu, Ketu, Sun, Moon, Lagna for example if he asks whether I am 60 years old and I agree by working backwards from now the position of Saturn 2 ½ years Jupiter (1 year) Rahu and Ketu (1 ½ yrs) one approximately can know my birth year and their position at my birth year, If he asks whether I was born in rain season and I agree, sun position can be known approximately, similarly Moon position generally do not bother about the lagna that means birth time. They get satisfied with the approximate names also after some scanning. But still the whole chart is not known at this stage, these index leaves have got some linking charts to be picked up .Then they bring the leaf if available and give the whole chart exact date of birth, names, past events, future etc as a general Kandam and you will be impressed. This is their training process and they generally do not agree for reading without thumbprint even if you want to give chart. They never give the degree portion of planets and lagna in the chart. So obviously other Vargas charts the nearest one which matches your past events since it is not possible to have records of all charts. On 31st May 1993 (age 55) in Salem I tried to jot down points as the Nadi reader was reading leaf after leaf from the index bundles and he noticed and objected to the same. However, for the benefit of the readers, there are some questions which I noted as he was asking leaf after leaf till a correct details matched - " Brahmin, hospital born, father and mother expired, eldest, one maternal uncle, no sisters, own business, two brothers (total 3) mother name Ammal, married, wife there, one son, son government job, son teaching line, age 55running, own vehicle, government job, union/collector office; no sister, Simha rasi father Vishnu name, wife name Susheela, house rents, two daughters, foreign visited twice, mother government job, wife job, intercaste marriage, rasi dual sign, 1938/39born rain season, two marriages, wife housewife, one daughter, agricultural land, father government job, wife degree, housewife, only one brother, government job teaching line self doctor, rasi sthira rasi, no daughter, arts degree, finance business, father Venkata, mother Parvati name, intercaste marriage, factory job, son degree, chara rasi Mesham, birth night wife name starting with 'sa' ,, son government job, army department officer technical B.E. degree self temple degree, in politics son married intercaste, house rents, thula rasi, date 15to 30 , birth Sunday, star sravana, wife three letters, mother government job, father expired 20 years back, to son no children, temple constructed, wife name starting

with "pa,paa,pi,pe" job transport job, own house, wife housewife, one son ,. Born Wednesday, lagna ubhaya lagna, father temple constructed, mother name starting with "pa.paa.pi.pe" court case problem; sthira lagna, transport department, side business cine production son living with you, lagna chara lagna , birth night, mother name starting with "pa paa, pi pe" ,B.Sc.,M.Sc.rasayana blood pressure mother name starting with "ya,ra,la va.." eatables business, now government job wife ulcer stomach , mother 3 letter name , father visit foreign; mother 5 letter name, house rents, thula lagna, avani month wife name starting with "sa,saa,si,se" family court cases, sugar problem, father government job mother name starting with "a,aa,e,ee" father alive, mother died, mother name 4 letters first letter 'a' wife ulcer, business now, computer astrology in own place, wife house wife , mother name last letter 'ra' self ulcer, wife operation, father own business and government job, wife name Rani, voluntarily retired before 4 years son in job, born Thursday sugar complaint, broker, government job, one sister housewife degree, self diploma, second house, mother expired 10 years back father temple administration, self arts degree, father in the beginning private job clerical, mother name 3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 4th letter 'ra , raa, ri , ru' father real estate, black money income, no lottery income, court case, fight with son, self two marriages, self MSc, commerce, self engineering degree, also master's degree first job computer line, no railway air line job, mother name 3rd letter 'pa,paa,pi,pe,pu,puu' 1st letter 'a' father name Ramalingam, self technical civil engineering, operation heart, stomach, mother name Annapurna, one maternal uncle, self last child, Thursday born, hospital born wife name Saroja, small business in technical computer, son government job defense technical, self second child, born in fathers house, date of birth 7th sept,1938, Wednesday , voluntary retirement, one brother degree government job, one sister married degree". In 5th bundle of index leaves in about 15th leaf all the details about names, profession, lagna, rasi matched, the nadi reader told me when the thumb impressed would be connected to 5 to 12 bundles of General Kandam each bundle roughly containing about 50 leaves, any one of bundle and any one of leaf would be connected to you. In fact the nadi reader got fed up reading so many leaves and after 3 bundles he refused to continue even, but upon my request he finally got it in 5th bundle ie. After reading about 200 leaves (an enormous strenuous job for both of us!) can we get any clues from these types of series of questions to arrive at the correct leaf matching your data? Recently I had a funny experience while reading the index cards for my friend the nadi astrologer asked whether moon is in cancer in Aslesha and also asked about the approximate names of parents. We said the parents' names are correct, but the star is wrong. Then after some leaves, he again said the same parents names but with Pushyami star,

which we again denied. After some more leaves, he again said same names but with Punarvasu star and we agreed since we knew the star and the chart. If we do not know the exact moon star what leaf the nadi astrologer decides and he may choose the wrong leaf. If he is not patient to scan thoroughly to verify other past events and the readings can be wrong. So it is possible, that somebody might have been born with similar parents named but with different moon stars, such as in twins or otherwise also elsewhere in different places. In olden days, the names were given as per the letters sounds mentioned for moon stars, though nowadays nobody follows those rules to give names., Even then the nadi astrologers tell the exact names not only of Hindus but some extent of foreigners also so what is that astrological principle from which one can tell exact names ? As far as I know there is none. Therefore, it is possible that the nadi astrologers propitiate some spirit to tell these exact names including exact past events, since they are not conversant with astrology thoroughly., The future events would come correct or not depends on theexperience and attention of the nadi astrologers. Also I found that all the nadi astrologers would not tell exactly the same future and events remedial measures defending upon the nadi grantha they follow, through they tell the past correctly I presume that the same is time when they tell about the past life. Invariably the remedial measures, they ask for some money to be given to nadi reader and the prescribed pujas to Gods/Goddess would be related to places the Tamilnadu. So these cannot be relied upon. You go to the same nadi reader after one year and take the readings again from the same nadi grantha, will he give the same readings as he had given one year back. I have yet to check this, without telling him that I consulted him a year back. I presume that it would be different readings of the nadi reader changer even if the same nadi grantha were consulted because I feel the person who reads is also involved in the process defending upon his experience. Just as an off-track, I gave on prediction to some client with probable turning, he came back later to me andtold me that it happened, and wanted to ask some other thing. I again looked at his chart at his second visit and could not find the astrological reason how I told that fury prediction, so is it some other extra sense working at the time of prediction along with astrological reasons to decide the event depending on your meditations andexperience. Yes, I feel it would be so, when there is doubt about the decision for giving prediction, purely from astrology angle. That is why, it is said in sastras that the astrologers should follow the ethics and Dharamas to couple real excellent reasons along with the analysis following the astrological principles, so that the correct predictions would come out. So what is difference between these Nadi Astrologers and the other real good astrologers. I feel the former would purely use his training

with Mantra or spirit without any astrological background. Another safe escape a for the nadi astrologers is that he would say that he read whatever was there and you have no means of meeting anddiscussing with him again. Where as the other astrologer is answerable subsequent for his predictions, of course he can also escape saying that the birth time may be wrong, but it would be his moral duty andcertify the birth time depending on the events and the birth date. The nadi astrologers sued the Vakya Siddhanta for casting the horoscopes and some times the position of planets differ from what we get usually. One Tamil language expert told me that it is not possible to read the scripts understand. Some say that astrology is not a pure service. I feel that other sources i.e. medicine, space travel etc. Are also not exact andthere are failures in spite of lot of literature and research is available in these areas. Unfortunately the total literature, research andexperience in the field of astrology is not available. It is true that no exact future can be told in astrology or even in other sciences when the space rockets burst in spite of lot of computer calculations, experiments.

Opinions of Others It would be highly impossible to give here the opinion of others on Nadi astrology as innumerable in many articles in 'The Astrological Magazine' since 1956 and books. However I would like to state the crux from some articles, books my discussions with others personally and via e-mail. During my discussions with my Guru Late B.V.Raman in January 1998, he told "Nadi Granthas can be broadly divided into Mantras and Tantric, the former mainly based on the power and control of Kshudra Mantras but under astrological cover and the latter mostly mathematical and partly basis on Mahamantras. In 1953 Shri Narayana Sastry handed over me the Nadi literature with a Mahamanta which I was cautioned should never be revealed to any on until and unless the instruction by way of a code word is revealed in nadi itself. The late Justice Ramesam Pantulu had such a work in his possession In my meeting with him he gave some details about Nadi Amshas but the secret of interpretation was not revealed just because the code word was never appeared in the grantha. Before his death, however, he came across the code word according to which the nadi should be thrown into the sea which he did. The rational continues to be a mystery. Perhaps the original authors did not want the secrets fall into unscrupulous hands. Moneymaking was never their object. Upon the division of Nadi Amsha and its being tagged on to the positions of Jupiter, Saturn, Sun, and Moon it is mathematics. But when the amsha in a particular lagna is to be interpreted, something other than mere

astrological precept becomes involved. It is only after the recitation of the clue mantra at this stage, for the prescribed number of times that the results come more or less as a flash. Of course each nadi has certain definite results, as earlier serialized in 'The Astrological Magazine', but in applying these results to an undivided horoscope the Sun, the Moon, Saturn, Jupiter and other planets enter the picture. The Amsha is tagged on to the amsas of the other planets also and automatically the astrologer gets an image of the horoscope. I use the Nadi techniques only for purpose of rectifying the time of birth on the basis of the amsha and some identifying facts. The dasha system followed and of course Vimshothari though sometimes vague references are made to Jaimini and Kalachakra. To me Markandeya Nadi, Madras gave 60% correct results, in 1935. Shri Gupta in Madras got many Nadis - Sukra Nadi etc. Total number of Nadi are 72, out of which 36 are mantra Nadis such as Sukra Nadi, Nandi Nadi etc. which are only 25% correct. Mantra Nadi are written then and there. There are 36 Tantra Nadis such as Rudra, Sapta rishi, Brughu, Satya etc. Busantari Nadi gives about earthquakes, political set-up, available with Shri Nadis in Tamil. There are 36 Prasna Nadis and by using beetle nuts, beetle leaves Dakshina, answers are given. They conceal some mystery to astrologer, Shri Nagaraja Sharma Astrologer tried to find out the source of tantra nadi and found nadi contains 150 parts. Egoistic nature will not give results. One Nadi astrologer by Kshudra Ganapati Mantra died of cancer. By nadi astrologer reading, past will be correct and future wrong. From Oriental Library and Shri Nagaraja Sarma, each degree is divided into 150 nadi amsas and the position of lagna, nadi amsha, Moon Saturn, Jupiter will give clues. Integrate Parasara+Jamini+Nadi Varahamihira says that astrologer should have no hatred , should have contentment, ever joyful and satisfied wellversed in calculations (computers are there now ) gift of having predictions, imagination, morality, ethics, principled. Don't predict death know Satyacharya's (Dhruva Nadi author) Pancha Siddhantha. Practice Mahamantras not Kshudra mantras to get mind clarity. Taking Shantis (remedial measures) is wrong to get money. Script in Kannada language on palm leaves immediately within seconds and then disappeared actually there was Ramayana, Bharatam on palm leaves earlier. I contested many scientists and told them Astrology is not superstition" My Guru, Late Shri Divakaruni Venkata Subba Rao, write his book "Jyotish Siddhantam" in Telugu language (out of print) about Tatwa/Antartatwa iddhantam to rectify the birth time to match the lagna, moon rasi day of birth for male/female birth amounting to a minimum level of 12 seconds duration of birth time difference which is equipment to Nadi Amsha. Then only the detailed life pattern can be predicted with the actual planetary configuration and with the other Vargas (divisional) charts.

Late Shri R.Gopalakrishna Rao (nick name Meena) suggested starlords (jeeva planets) of the planets, gunas of planets (Satwik, Rajasik and Tamasik), Sareera of Planets (Star lord of Jeeva Planets), Lordships, relationships in his book Nadi Astrology (Stellar Astrology) 3 volumes (out of print). He stated that "in South India, great men with deep insight into the knowledge of planets and Heaven, were able to cast various astrological charts which form the essence of the Nadi Granthas. Some may say that even the Nadis fail to give correct predictions. But I can boldly say that the Nadis need fail. The person, using the Nadis fails, because correct prediction depends on the accuracy of the questioner's birth chart in the Granthas. If a clever astrologer who is in possession of the nadi could get at the proper chart he can read accurate predictions. The method that I have pursued and which I have presented in the pages of the book, is an ancient one. It has hitherto been kept confidential without being brought to light., The authors of this method have recorded Nadis on palm leaves. What was possible to Sages is equally possible to those who take pains to investigate and understand the science correctly by the method herein revealed. In the "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" book by Shri R.G.Rao, the karakatwa of the planets and rasis are given importance and Jupiter transits in the houses and over planets will decide events. Lagna is not important. The sequence of planets in the chart is important to be noted to give predictions. The natal chart combinations and transits are to be judiciously understood along with effects of retrograde planets and parivartana planets. In "Chandra kala Nadi" books 3 volumes by Late Shri R.Santhanam, transits of a planet in various Navamshas with respect to its lordship and benefic and malefic Navamsha are given importance. In "Sapta Rishi Nadi" book by oriental Library Chennai the rashi chart is only considered and the depositor of the planets is considered. Lagnawise some ready made charts are discussed for various aspects of life for some lagnas only. In "The Astrological Magazine" the general life patterns of some of the Nadi Amshas from Dhruva Nadi were published My friend Mr.Barry Pittard of Australia, sends email to me stating " I have found repeated evidence - both in my explorations at first hand and from sending out well over two thousand emails to people who could possibly help many accurate details can be discovered about one self. In 1998 Shanti (new my wife) and I explored nadi readings at Libraries at Vaitheeswarankoil and therefore shortly able, I also visited a library at Chennai. Yet again, I found stunningly accurate information. Moreover it too corresponded with informed them from both the Vaitheeswaran koil and Tanjore Libraries. We found our names and family details including our parents names. He also said

that they got the thumbprints of his wife's parents by fax from Australia and the readings were incredibly accurate about them. Shri K.N.Rao in his article "Thumb and Horoscope" mentioned "while in Calcutta, I heard of about an astrologer near Dumdum who prepared horoscopes in all cases of unknown births from one's thumb I never met him. Through a very senior Guru Bhai who knew him well and patronized, I sent him a request if he would prepare the horoscopes of those whose birth details were well known and made it clear that it was not to test him but to know how dependable his method was. I further clarified that I would like to use it for the verification of birth time in cases of doubtful horoscopes. I sent five persons to him. In three cases he gave us correct degrees of all planets and the lagna. He was not given any birth details. He drew out the whole horoscope from the palm particularly of the thumb. The most remarkable fact which showed have struck me was that the degrees of the planets he gave from the palm and thumb was what Lahiri's ephemeris had given to me . he used the work Chitrapaksheeya Ayamsha". Sri K.N.Rao published the readings about him from Dhruva Nadi given to him by Dr.B.V.Raman in one of his books. Shri Kannan in his article "My experiences with Nadis -X 1" in the Astrological Magazine" June 1969 stated "Thus, after investigating all types of nadis what I have learnt is as noted below:- Nadis have been written on the basis of nadi-amshas, but they require alterations based on the localities and planetary positions. Nadi writer wrote horoscopes upto certain future periods only for each. That is why some nadis appear and some disappear if any querent funds no leaf for hi, it is due to the fact that bundles written must have destroyed by nadi holders of the past or otherwise lost by the successors. Apart from this kind of loss, some persons may not be in the scheme of a particular nadi at all and hence there may not be a leaf. For instance, in my case, according to Sukhar's scheme, I should have had 6 children but I had 8. The last two had no leaves in Sukha Nadi. When questioned about this in Prasna Kanda, it was stated that there was nothing to be worried about their longevity and the scheme of Rishi Vakyam was only like that. Somehow I got the readings for them in some other nadi. Nadis generally have some stock method of giving predictions without bothering and without meticulous calculations. Most of the good nadis have mastery over the subject and have a good sense of judgement taking into account all the good and bad points. Astrologers usually linger or persist in a particular view. Regarding prescription of medicine, the nadis follow Ayurvedic system for the known ailments without resorting to particular herb for a particular afflicting planet. A nadi is able to find out not only the querent's thought but also the e exact time of consultation. In my case Sukhar stated when I exactly consulted each bhava or vakyam. Though cent percent results cannot be expected, nadi gives some correct predictions also and these

depend upon the quality of the nadi consulted. If a nadi stipulates a fabulous figure of fees it has to be understood that it is the mischief of the astrologer. All the nadi invariably prescribe shantis (whether warranted or not because every one will have some defect or other in the horoscope. This is ruse for getting money. One has to investigate the reasonableness of it before adopting. Very good predictions can be expected from a prasna nadi for the immediate future. But long range predictions fail mostly, probably because they could not check up correctly all the relevant positions. In the matter of daily prasnas, the nadis seem to have followed only " Nandi Vakyam" method of giving results based on planetary position and not on Stellar basis. In the matter of judgement one h as to give importance to the position of the dispositor from the Bhava which seems to act best. The nadis have got always some curse as Mr.Chidambara Iyer expressed and it is found most of the nadi holders have to experience difficulties and calamities. There seem to be law connecting the particular time of writing a nadi and the next time of consultation. This is the most secret method to be investigated. For instance, Sukar's Prasna Kanda was written long ago. When the nadi holder opens at random a leaf his eyes fall on a letter which furnishes information about the person consulting that day. What is that law? Can any body demonstrate ? At any rate these are all mysterious to me. With these I close these series and if anybody has any tangible information to unravel the mysteries pointed out, it will certainly be useful to all. 52. Of course, there are others who say that the thumb impression is used only as identification and to impress you. And the reader would find out from you the birth details by his clever random type of question s and remembering the answers and then arriving at the exact details make the chart from their ephemeris for that date of birth in their library room, read the results from standard charts recorded in ancient times matching your , lagna etc and the whole thing was a manipulation. There are some others who say that they consulted all nadis but did not find their leaf and felt that the whole thing was a hoax. Some others say that there are lot of cheating nowadays in how they operate it and they are people monitoring behind the screen in other room listening to you and there is no nadi reader live in India today just try giving a thumb he will be able to find the details some others say that the readings for foreigners have been exploited .from other leaves some say that the nadi readers would invoke a "spirit" which would smell the thumb print and tell them what Index leaves are to be picked up, which are only some old recorded life patterns and as he turns leaf after leaf while questioning as usual routine process the spirit would tell him at certain stage to read the correct date though it won't be there on that leaf. Some say that time of birth and lagna are given by nadi reader which has not matched when checked on computer later. Every one had different experiences

with the nadi Jyotish. It would be difficult to record all the experiences in this limited space.

Some Doubts And Questions In view of the above discussions, several doubts and questions which arise on Nadi Jyotish are consolidated here as far as possible at random:- What is the real origin of this Nadi Jyotish? Are they really written by some Sages and only by professional astrologers? Are they the records of those born in earlier written on palm leaves in those times? Why a right thumb impression for male and left for female is to be taken? In what language they were written originally? When were they translated into other languages? How many bundles of leaves are available in total? Is each set of leaves after some name of Nadi Jyotish is different ? Is there really anything written on the leaves at all or something appear then and there? Is there any Mantra or some other means used by the Nadi astrologers? Is there any specific science written to get the birth chart and birth data from< the thumb impressions? How the exact names can be told? What is the procedure followed by the nadi reader to pick up the index leaves from his library from thumb impression? How is it on some leaves only some type of funny pattern of lines was written without any normal language form of script ? How is it that some type of Tamil script found on the leaves could not be understood? Why do the readers give the future readings from the date of consultation only at some intervals of age only? Why do they not give the occurrence of past events age wise generally? How do they give the names of foreigners also sometimes? Is there any privacy issue? Why do some readers ask y u to come again? Which collections are considered largest and carefully reserved etc? Which nadi readers are held reliable? How the small place in Tamilnadu,Vaitheeswaran koil has got different readers even in small houses offering readers.? Are there leaves were distributed amongst members of that family for their

different businesses charging different fees? What is the material and sole of the leaf and and how they have preserved so long? Are they rewritten at different intervals of time? How are they trained and how long? How the leaves are with mostly a particular sect of people who are doing business from them? How do they link up the index leaf with the actual leaf of general Kandam and other chapters of? How can some readers say that such and such person is going to consult on that day? Do the readings for the same person from different Nadis match exactly? Do the readings for the same person from the same nadi reader from the same nadi taken at different interval of time say a year later match exactly? Are you really to be destined to consult Nadi? How many consult Nadi? Are the past readings given always perfectly correct ? How far the future reading goes perfectly right upto what time to nearby future or to long future also? Do the reader himself involved in giving correct readings, includes his training and experience? Why do the remedial measures given in Shanti Kanda mostly refer to the Gods/Goddess /Temples in Tamilnadu? Why do they prescribe the alms to be given to the nadi reader and is it really written on the leaves ? Are they actually reading what was written on the leaves ? Why are some of them in some form of trance with half closed eyes as if they are not reading it from the leaves at all? Why don't nadi readers give your leaf to you, if it really belongs to y u? Can you read what is written there? Will they show it you? How many readings are there on each leaf? How many index bundles are normally to be scanned to arrive at your data? How many leaves are there in each bundle? Do they read without thumb impression, if the chart is given ? Are the previous life readings given in different Nadis for the same person would be the same?

Is there any luck in the leaves from the previous life to the present life to the future life ? How far the remedial measures given work? Why do every nadi reader prescribe shanti definitely for every person whenever consulted? Why do the chart given by them differ from the one prepared by you in computers? Is their ephemeris from Vakya Siddhanta as told different from others and how far is it correct? Why do they tell the firth date, month and year in Tamil calendar and then correlate it Christian calendar, is it because the records were in Tamil ? If the records were in Sanskrit or Telugu language, how are the birth data found in which calendar? Why are the readings are only at intervals of 1 year or 2 ½ hrs etc ? Are they following only the transits of major planets of Jupiter Saturn etc? Why do they give readings of future events only age wise, not at a particular calendar date, month and year ? Do they know astrology at all? Do they tell the exact names of twins , if the thumbprints are given ? Do they give the readings without the presence of the person consulting and with the date presented by some person? Do they give the reading by post if the required data is given and fees sent? How far they take the responsibility if the future readings given by them do not come true and what excuse do they give in such cases ? Is whole thing a foax only? Is there cheating by them? Are there any real astrological principles involved in those Nadis? Why do they charge exorbitantly which many poor people cannot afford? Do poor people are distend to consult them? Is it worth spending lot of money in finding out the tricks of this nadi astrology? Is it possible to do any research at all in this filed? Are there any Nadis with some Swamijis or in some Ashram or with some other persons who are not using it for professional commercial purposes and give readings when consulted?

Are there any Nadis published fully, if so in what language? Why do some astrologers, who have got nadi Grantha not publish it completely in a book form? Are there other aspects natural calamities, political set ups wars, countries etc written also nadi granthas other than about persons and if so why don't they publish it before hand? Are these Nadis written restricted to certain regions only, if so within how many kilometers /miles and within what longitudes and latitudes? Is there any law, which is given in the Nadis to extend it other persons and other regions? How can a few bundles of leaves ,however large they re cover all life patterns of all persons? What the addresses of all the nadi readers? Are there any persons who are really doing any genuine serious research to find out the secrets of the nadi Jyotish if so what are their addresses and what are their findings so far, have they published their research anywhere? Are there any persons who are exchanging their experience and research with each in this field and if so what are their addresses? Are there any persons who had consulted all Nadis about them personalities and published their readings comparing and verifying the results if so what are their addresses? Why can't the nadi readers tell the exact names of the wife/husband before marriage, but can tell the e names of after marriage? Why can't they tell the names of the children when they can tell your name, your wife/husband name and names of parents? Is there any danger or calamity or curse or those who possess these nadi granthas and to their families when they practice it? How did Sage Satyacharya, supposed to be inventor of nadi amshas of 150 write the general life patterns for each nadi amsha and to what percentage they match with a person's life pattern, if the person birth amsha falls in one of the nadi amshas or is it that the person should select the nearest nadi amsha pattern which matches with most of his life events and if it is to be chosen for a newly born baby who has not much specific events to check then how to fix up the nadi amsha? Is there any method, if at all any, to draw the nadi amsha chart just as other Vargas (divisional) charts and if so how to prepare such a nadi chart and how to use it vis-à-vis rasi and other Vargas charts (though it is not mostly known how to use the known Vargas charts themselves specifically for a particular event in life!) Which are the mantra Nadis , the tantra Nadis, prasna Nadis etc and what are the differences and how do they operate? Where are we now in our research on nadi Jyotish in finding out the secrets, when they have existing from so many years? Are there any specific astrological principles used in nadi Jyotish literature other than normal principles enunciated in standard ancient

text books by sage Parasara, Jaimini,Varahamihira, Mantreswara, Vidyanatha, Kalidasa, Venkatesdaivagna, Bhaskara Jyotish, Bhruhatjataka, Phaladeepika , Jatakaparijata, Uttara Kalamithra, Sarvartha Chinthamani, Bhavadeepika, Sanketanidhi, Saravali etc ? Do the nadi readers allow to record all the questions they ask as they proceed with the index leaves and is there any person who got such recorded data in his personal case and if what is his address? How can the Nadi Reader tell that your parents are alive when y you consult him when they are alive and tell that they are dead when you consult him after their death and can such a thing can be told from applying normal astrological principles? Similarly how can h e tell the exact number of brothers and sisters and at age you were married etc and can these can be told so precisely from any normal astrological rules? Will all the Nadis give the e life span for a person or different life spans, when the names and chart and other past details match exactly in all Nadis ? Why some Nadis mention certain age as "Gandam" (danger to life) and if it is surpassed the person would live upto certain other age ? Has anybody found any clues to give exact predictions from the text books available in the market on nadi Jyotish presently such as "Bhrugu Nandi Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, Devakeralam (Chandrakala Nadi )3 vols by Shri Late R.Santhanam commentary on "Saptarishi Nadi" by Shri J.H.Bhasin, "Transits of planets on they birth chart" lesson of nadi are the essence of astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Kashyapa Hora essesnce of nadi astrology" by Shri R.G.Rao, "Nadi jyothisha or the Stellar system of astrology"(out of print) by Shri Late R.Gopalakrishna Rao (Pen name meena) "Satya jatakam (basis of Dhruvanadi) Sage Satyacharya, "Practical Stellar Astrology (Based on Nadi Principles) by Shri Late NV Raghavachari (Pen name Meena II), "Nadi system of Prediction (Stellar-theory) by Shri Rattan Lal , "Doctrines of Suka Nadi Retold - mysteries of nadi system of astrology unfurled" by Shri Late R.Santhanam, "Profession from the position of planets -in rare nadi granthas by Shri RG Ro, "Vedic Astrology and career" by Shri V.Raghuraman, "Your Destiny in thumb" by Shri R.G.Rao "Bhrigu Sutram Sage Bhrigu, "Bhrugu Prashna Nadi" by Shri R.G.Rao, General life pattern from Dhruva Nadi and Nandi Nadi published for some Nadi Amshas in the "Astrological Magazine", several articles published on Nadi Astrology in the Astrological Magazines " other magazines and new papers etc etc? Has anybody able to correlate the standard astrological principles with the nadi astrology predictions authentically? Can exact birth time be told by Nadi Readers? Whether the Nadi reader and the translator add anything on their own while reading and explaining?

Further Research Required Though one can try to find out answers to all the above questions I feel that further important research required to be carried out in nadi astrology should be concentrated on the following points:Whether a complete Natural Birth chart with planetary positions and lagna with exact degrees and birth data can be formed from the thumb impression? Why a right hand thumb impression for male and left hand thumb print for female should be taken? What is the technique used by Nadi Readers to pick up the Index leaves bundles from the thumb print and subsequent Kandam leaves? What are the scripts written on the leaves? Whether the Nadi Readers reads the same thing on the leaf? Whether we or the experts in linguistics can read the same and understand? Whether there is any script at all in the leaves? Can we record what all he reads and questions leaf after leaf till he arrives at our data in the index leaves? Whether he writes the same thing in the notebook, records in the audiotape and translates? Do the leaves contain some old records of life histories of persons written in olden days for certain planetary configurations for research for future cycles and if so how to modify the results for the present consultant's chart which and could be only a nearby chart since it takes very long time to get to the same planetary configuration again? How one can tell exact names, numbers of brothers and sisters with help of a chart even with exact degrees of planets and lagna? Can we get our leaf from the Nadi readers and even if so will it be of any use? Whether the same nadi reader from same nadi grantha gives same results when consulted at different time intervals, say one year? Why the nadi readers gives results age-wise only for events, not particular dates? Would they use mostly the transits of major planets on the natal chart

to tell events? Would different readers of same nadi give different results? Would different Nadis give different results? Why the remedial measures (Shantis) are prescribed for every one whether consulted at any time, why they are mostly connected to Temples/Gods/Goddesses in Tamilnadu only, whether they work at all to overcome the difficulties read in the leaves or is at another gimmick of the nadi reading to get money from the person consulted by invoking fear and faith into him? Why not collect as much data as possible from persons who consulted nadi along with their experiences about the veracity of the future predictions? Is it possible to find how the past life data is given by nadi readers and check the same? Is there any method to link the past life data with the present and future readings? Which nadi and nadi reader is giving more accurate results? Is there any way to arrive at nadi astrologers principles in correlation with the normal standard astrology , as given in the palm leaves by the nadi readers or is the whole thing a process of hoax using some Upasana of spirits or Mantra by the nadi readers? What percentage of correct results would come from nadi readers compared to the readings from well-experienced sincere normal astrologers? Can one can erect a nadi amsha chart (1/150) and use it for exact predictions along with other Vargas charts? Can one find out how the general life pattern is given for each nadi amsha? Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place or at different places at same time read by different nadi readers and what are the results? Whether anybody consulted the same nadi at same place read by the same person at different times say a year later and what are the results and are they same particularly with respect to the future events? Whether anybody got the results without knowing the birth date/month/year/lagna/Moon rasi and nakshatra/chart and if so how?

Whether anybody got the exact name of wife / husband before marriage? Whether anybody got future results every year or only at intervals of 2 to 3 years or at some random future ages? Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis? Whether anybody got the same life span (age) mentioned in different nadis? Whether anybody got the future result about the birth of a child male or female specifically? Whether any astrologer could succeed so far in analyzing the results given by nadi as per the known astrological rules?(ask astrologers)? How many are visiting the nadis and getting results also not finding their nadi leaves.(ask nadi readers)? What would be the percentage of people consulting nasi? Whether anybody recorded the various questions asked by the nadi reader leaf after leaf in the index bundles till he hits the correct one with exact names number of brothers and sisters etc?

Conclusion I have discussed many important points on nadi Jyotish as far as possible due to restriction of space from my experience. It is farther for the readers and experienced astrologers to get into real research into the mysteries of this nadi jyothish. Since this research would be very long time process involving lot of expenses, it will not be possible for any single individual to carryout this research. I earnestly request all serious research astrologers to come together exchanging their information freely on this subject, which is very easy now a days because of inter-net and E-mails. I also request the rich individuals, trusts, government, private agencies, Swamis, Ashrams help financially for this research. I pray God also to help all these astrology research aspirants to unveil the secrets of this ancient Nadi Jyotish uplifting the Vedic astrology for the benefit of world community. I also give my blessings to all those sincere young astrologers with their advanced computer astrology software to succeed in their research efforts. OM SHANTI.

[Written by: Pemmaraju V. R. Rayudu "Daivagna Ratna and Jyotish Aradhakulu" B.E., M. Tech., Diploma in Management and French. Former Senior Scientist and Deputy Director Defense Research and Development Laboratory]

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