Log in or Sign up Home Forums > General Discussion > Neigong > Hello there guest and welcome to our forum! To gain full access you must Register. Registration is free and it takes only a few moments to complete. Already a member? Login here then! Mo Pai Nei Kung - Level One Discussion in 'Neigong' started by KenBrace, Jun 27, 2014. Page 1 of 9 123456?9Next > KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member Mo Pai Nei Kung Level One For anyone interested in the training for Mo Pai Level One you've come to the ri ght place. Below I have summarize the most important aspects of the training. I also created a thread which uses direct quotes from books by Jim McMillan and Ko sta Danaos to summarize these important points. Read both of these threads caref ully then ask questions about anything you fully understand.? The Borderline Between Waking & Sleeping This is is the most important of the training for level one. Without entering th e borderline state before you begin training your efforts are almost useless. Th e key to this state is relaxation. You must allow your body to fall asleep while your mind stays awake and alert. Focused Concentration Even if you have entered the borderline state it will be useless in terms of cul tivation if you don't apply 'focussed conscentraion'. This means that while you are in the deep trance state mentioned above you must focus on the lower dan tie n like a pin point lazer. This is what focuses and stores Qi in the dan tien. Grounding Without making sure that you are grounded at the perineum point during borderlin e state, focused concentration your effort will also be wasted. This is because your access to Yin Qi has been cut off. Without the equal flow of both Yin and Y ang entering your body, you won't be able to cultivate period. Grounding is esse ntial. In order to make sure that you are grounded you can either sit outside on the ground or use a grounding wire. Ask for details if you are interested in th e grounding wire. 72 Hour Rule The '72 Hour Rule' states after any type of orgasm, ejaculation, etc. you MUST t ake AT LEAST 72 hours of time off training. If you train with focused concentrat ion during the borderline state, you will tear you dan tien and end all further training if you don't take heed to this rule. Those are the four key aspects of the training. The next thing I advise you to d o is go read the two threads linked below.
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[email protected] KenBrace, Jun 27, 2014 #1 7Lights likes this. Felcor Felcor New Member Hey, I hope I am not speaking out of place as I am rather new here. This is my understanding of the training for level 1: Technique: Meditation Position: Half lotus or Full lotus. "The half lotus is the next most desirable stance, though it should be noted tha t the efficiency of the full lotus is almost double that of the half-lotus." Kosta Danaos - Nei Kung: The Secret Teachings of the Warrior Sages. Both these positions are also viewed in high regard by the yogis who practice Ku ndalini yoga. Breathing: (Not sure) Full deep breaths that expand the abdomen or not breathing at all being in an almost death-like state. Mind: Concentrate on the Dantien. I think eventually you do not have to keep you r mind/awareness on the Dantien. This will happen subconsciously so your mind ca n be clear and free. To start with however you will have to take your awareness down there consciously. Location: Somewhere as close to the outside and nature as you can get. (Preferab ly a mountain) not really an option for me but some of you might be able to make use of the information. Kosta Danaos - Nei Kung: The Secret Teachings of the Warrior Sages.(Chapter 2) Indication of progress: Heat in the Dantien. Time: As much as possible. No training for 3 days after ejaculation. Alternate methods: I am not yet sure where but the "Man hugging horse" stance seems to have a place in the training of Nei Kung. not sure where yet. Last edited: Jun 28, 2014 Felcor, Jun 28, 2014 #2 LeoViridis LeoViridis Moderator Staff Member The breathing that is used is reverse breathing. This means that on the inhalati on the abdomen contracts and on the exhalation it expands.
Very important (actually most important) is the state of mind you're in. You sho uld aim for a very deep state of meditation, a deep trance state, between waking and sleeping. The focus and awareness should be pointed completely on the Dan T ian. When training you must be grounded to the earth. You can do this by either sitting outside on the earth, or by using a grounding rod and wire, and sit on t hat. Personally, I prefer sitting outside, as otherwise my mind can bring doubts and go like "Oh, is my ground properly established? What if it isn't, then I wo n't be training the right way, hoe do I know if this is a good ground" and stuff like that. LeoViridis, Jun 28, 2014 #3 More_Pie_Guy likes this. Felcor Felcor New Member This makes sense. Maybe the only thing we could add is any techniques that could help reach this deep state of meditation. An exercise from kundalini yoga to help train concentration is to sit and look a t a dot on a wall or piece of paper and try and keep your focus on the dot. Do n ot just stare at the spot fill your mind with the image so that you can still fo cus on it even when you close your eyes. These types of exercise might be useful to do if you have to take a 3 day break from normal training or if you are waiting in a car or bus. Felcor, Jun 28, 2014 #4 KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member Before you are able to enter the borderline state you don't even need to worry a bout focussing on the LDT, grounding, or the 72 hour rule. All you need to do is meditate. Once you are able to hit deep trance, you can start worrying about fo cus, 72 hour rule, etc. Email:
[email protected] KenBrace, Jun 28, 2014 #5 Felcor Felcor New Member Fair enough reaching deep levels of meditation has been my main focus since I ha ve started. I am still getting used to it. I am sure you guys are way ahead of m e on this point, but I will catch up. Thanks for all the information. If I discover something good I will let you guys know. Enjoy the training. Felcor, Jun 28, 2014 #6 KenBrace likes this. KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member Felcor said: ? Fair enough reaching deep levels of meditation has been my main focus since I ha ve started. I am still getting used to it. I am sure you guys are way ahead of m e on this point, but I will catch up. Thanks for all the information. If I discover something good I will let you guys
know. Enjoy the training. How long do you generally meditate at one time? Email:
[email protected] KenBrace, Jun 28, 2014 #7 Felcor Felcor New Member I have only started VERY recently I can go for about half an hour if I push myse lf. The main reason being that I am not yet comfortable with the half lotus posi tion. My goal is to be able to do full lotus without any problems. My legs and m uscles are still not used to the position though. The other sticking point I hav e is clearing my mind. Like I said I am probably way behind you guys but I am de termined. I will practice as much as I can. For now I want to get half lotus dow n so I can sit without any discomfort. I am also working on clearing my mind and rooting my awareness in the NOW. Felcor, Jun 28, 2014 #8 KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member Be careful with lotus. You can really hurt your knees if you pull things too far or too fast. One good thing to do is run, do squats, or anything else to work o ut your legs followed by stretching all of your leg muscles. I've found that doi ng this really helps to relax your muscles and joints which allows for a longer and more profitable session. Email:
[email protected] KenBrace, Jun 28, 2014 #9 LeoViridis likes this. More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member I find most people say meditation, but have no clue what actual meditation is, o r once in a state of actual meditation what you are supposed to do. More_Pie_Guy, Jun 29, 2014 #10 KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member More_Pie_Guy said: ? I find most people say meditation, but have no clue what actual meditation is, o r once in a state of actual meditation what you are supposed to do. Yep. It's definitely deeper and harder to achieve than most people think. I reme mber when I read the Magus of Java for first time and was JUST getting into Mo P ai I though actual meditation was where you had no thoughts. So if you cleared y ou're mind you were in actual meditation. It didn't take me long to realize that something wasn't lining up though lol. I think a lot of newbies make a similar mistake. But yeah. I generally train for 4+ hours and still can't make it to deep trance so it's not easy by any stretch of the imagination. Way, way, WAY deeper than mo st people think who are starting out. Email:
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KenBrace, Jun 29, 2014 #11 KenBrace KenBrace Administrator Staff Member Deep trance is something that is going to take somewhere around 10 hours of stra ight meditation for a beginner to achieve. What most of you think is the borderl ine state or deep meditation is really not even light trance. If you're diligent it's probably going to take you a year or longer to start hit ting the borderline state. Keep in mind that it will also take around 10 hours o f more or straight meditation. You have to start somewhere though. Start out with whatever you can handle even if it's only 10 minutes (I was there at one time). You should be able to work yo ur way up to around 5 hours over the course of a year. That's what happened with me at least. Email:
[email protected] KenBrace, Jun 29, 2014 #12 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Another thing I notice is most people want to try to visualize chi, you don't vi sualize you feel. There is zero doubt if you are feeling chi or not. More_Pie_Guy, Jun 29, 2014 #13 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Something else about the state of actual meditation is it is not just about bein g being in between waking and sleeping, it's also about being in between life an d death. You are breathing once per minute or less, your pulse decreases to the point eve n a paramedic would declare you dead, and your core body temp drops dramatically . If you aren't in this deep state you can't really work with chi at all. It's what allows you to actually work with and store chi. More_Pie_Guy, Jun 29, 2014 #14 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Once I hit this state I spent several weeks in a sort of disgust. It is no wonder no one ever get's results, they are not in a state to even work with chi. It's not on the same level as working with psiballs and doing taichi. It would be like comparing a bonfire to a blanket. More_Pie_Guy, Jun 29, 2014 #15 KenBrace likes this. LeoViridis
LeoViridis Moderator Staff Member KenBrace said: ? Yep. It's definitely deeper and harder to achieve than most people think. I reme mber when I read the Magus of Java for first time and was JUST getting into Mo P ai I though actual meditation was where you had no thoughts. So if you cleared y ou're mind you were in actual meditation. It didn't take me long to realize that something wasn't lining up though lol. I think a lot of newbies make a similar mistake. But yeah. I generally train for 4+ hours and still can't make it to deep trance so it's not easy by any stretch of the imagination. Way, way, WAY deeper than mo st people think who are starting out. Well, during meditation, thoughts cease too... as the perception of time, self, space, consciousness, body and anything related to that. You aren't really awake or asleep, the metabolism slows down, and eventually stops, and your awareness and focus is severely reduced to a single point... This is what I've found, anyb ody else had this experience? I think that the first part of this quote is also very important; There are no thoughts and there is no sense of time. If you are thinking, you are not in meditation. If you are aware of yourself, you are also not in meditation . You must become like a baby in the womb, there and yet not there. Meditation i s like the borderline between sleep and waking, between consciousness and uncons ciousness. LeoViridis, Jun 29, 2014 #16 Arramu and More_Pie_Guy like this. Arramu Arramu New Member Wow I was looking for something like this :) so basically we need to get into re al deep medidation inlotus position while grounding and focusing on the dan tien until we get heat. when do we hit level 2 though? i remember reading about something similar a long time ago and that is when I di scovered that your awareness is basically like electicity which you can either f eel or you mind will give you thought which tell about its location. for most pe ople it is in the brain. I can move this between frontal lobes and back lobes (c errebrelum). at the front I have the most awareness at the back i activate my re ptilian brain which really can be scary for some people. i can do the same with the dan tien. send my awareness there. then i get a type of very subtle awarenes s as if i can see 360 from inside my stomach not from my head in between my eyes like most people see. do you guys think that I am doing it right? Arramu, Jul 12, 2014 #17 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Arramu said: ? do you guys think that I am doing it right? no More_Pie_Guy, Jul 12, 2014 #18 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Arramu said: ?
Wow I was looking for something like this :) so basically we need to get into re al deep medidation I don't think that quite encompasses the profundity of what level one meditation is about. At best it's a gross oversimplification. More_Pie_Guy, Jul 12, 2014 #19 More_Pie_Guy More_Pie_Guy Moderator Staff Member Arramu said: ? when do we hit level 2 though? There is no way to really tell when you hit level 2, the only sure way to know i s to log 4000 hours in real meditation. More_Pie_Guy, Jul 12, 2014 #20 (You must log in or sign up to reply here.) Page 1 of 9 123456?9Next > Share This Page Users Viewing Thread (Users: 0, Guests: 1) Home Forums > General Discussion > Neigong > Neigong Forum HomeForums Search Forums Recent Posts Members What's New? Default Style Contact Us Help Home Top RSS Terms and RulesForum software by XenForo ©2010-2014 XenForo Ltd. Timing: 0.3276 seconds Memory: 7.626 MB DB Queries: 11
