Lagna and KP Astrology

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Determining the "Lagna first" is not KP. The main intention is to make clear of confusion made by some in learning KP for beginners. Here determining the "Lagna first" is not KP, i.e. for winning the competitive award (like in Message 40093), winning lottery, becoming rich, (like in Message 40093) getting married or child etc. there is no need to determine Lagna potential first, for instance in the case of marriage, no need to check whether Lagna is strong or whether 1st CSL signifies 2,7,11 first, before considering whether 7th CSL signifies 2,7,11. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40093 2. Without knowing a) who is the author of Astro Secrets & KP books Part I to III and b) in which kind of cases Late Sri M.P. Shanmugam, the author of Astro Secrets & KP books Part I, applied the Lagna strength, the inappropriate place of reference "page 313 most probably" is mentioned. Of course, Sri M.P. Shanmugamdoes not consider the Lagna potential for marriage, child birth etc. in his book, i.e. no general consideration of Lagna first. //Astro Secrets & KP books written by KSK's son// http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40183 3. In fact the proper reference for Lagna lord strength is on pp 95-96 of Astro Secrets & KP books Part I by Late Sri M.P. Shanmugam as shown below. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/890 KP HOUSE GROUPING – Part 1 (Courtesy of KPE-zine Oct 2007 issue or KP Navrtnamala part-2, free download @ http://kpastrologer.com/ C S Subject Matter PN 1 LAGNA LORD 1 1 Very Strong Lagna Lord

2 Middle Strength Lagna Lod

Houses to be signified 2,3,9,10, 11,4

2,3,9,10, 11,4

Joint DBA

Remark

Lagna Lord occupying any one of houses shown and tenanting in the stars of 2,10,11 lords and occupants Lagna Lord not occupying any one of houses shown but

3 Weak Lagna Lord - 1

2,3,9,10, 11,4

4 Weak Lagna Lord - 2

5,8,12

5 Very Weak Lagna Lord

5,8,12

1 LAGNA STRENGTH 1 1 Strong Lagna 2,3,10,6 & 9,11 if not Badhaka 2 Weak Lagna 6,8,12 or 5, 8,12 & Badhaka

occupying 5 or 8 or 12 and tenanting in the stars of 2,10,11 lords and occupants Lagna Lord not occupying any of houses shown but tenanting in the stars of 5,8,12 lords and occupants Lagna Lord ocupying any of houses shown and tenanting in the stars of 2,10,11 lords and occupants Lagna Lord occupying any of houses shown and also tenanting in the stars of 5,8,12 lords and occupants Lagna Sbl connected to houses shown and not connected to 8 Lagna Sbl connected to houses shown in combination other than a single separate house

4. If one had some knowledge about KB/Baskaran Astrology or KCIL, at least as referred below, he could have given a proper reference of KB or KCIL books with general application of 1st CSL along with the required CSL related to the matter under study. So determination of Lagna first is KB or KCIL but not KP or Sri Shanmugam's. //3. KP: No mention about the potential of a Horoscope. KB: Advocacy of determining the potential first, by using Lagna.// http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/880 //child birth is Lagna involved matter.... If Lagna CSL is favourable to 5th, there is strong fate for child birth.// http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/37832 5. Since we've discussed about 4 Step Theory, KCIL with their inventor or authority, no comment on here say statement regarding these systems. 6. KP means Krishnamurti Padhdhati, compiled in his master piece of the six KP Readers, as clearly defined in the constitution of this KP forum after a long and intense discussion, as aware by long time members.

Definition of KP System: For the forum, everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. In case there is contradictions among various editions of KP readers, 1971 editions will be given preference. All further extenstion/ change to KP like including 'sub as a significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step, and cuspal interlinks, Dr. Kar's theory should be referred as 'stellar systems' but not KP. http://kpastrology.astrosage.com/forum-constitution 7. How can we say whatever written in the over a hundred books based on KP is KP? http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/22738 8. Guru ji KSK encourages research to come up with new idea supported by sufficient evidence of charts to be practically applicable, but not by any single statement like in the story of blind men, as said on p 371 of the KP Vol. 2 of 1966 below: http://www.scribd.com/doc/24500319/krishnamurti-Padhdhati// 9. Finally, //Lastly I want to tell you that, simply by writing a mail with LARGE RED FONTSwill neither prove the point, nor your maturity!!!// http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40066 Show message history  

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Luther Rath Message 62 of 62 , Sep 2, 2012 View Source Dear Natarajanji, I am extremely sorry. Mine was a general openion only. Many a times people ask the same question to more than one astrologer. That is the reason. I never intended to hurt your emotion. You are verry correct, if the system is accurate all astrologers should reach at the same answer.You yourself admit "Even my experience with direct diciples of GURUJI KP was disappointing." What I conceive is that, the system is unquestionable. Simply, we need to develop the systen towards completion. Unfortunately KSK passed away while he had to do

much more research. His sons became more commercial than researchminded. Secondly each astrologer, even direct students of KSK, are not competent enough to select the fruitful RPs, fruitful significators for aparticular event, in fixing the DBA and transits of the planets. When more than astrologer take horary/natal for the same query, they get different Rps too. This is the reason each one gives a different answer. Our discussions in the group never lead us to an agreement. The messages are only openions. No concluding paragraph appears before ending the issue. I think there should be a pannel to declare a conclusion from long discussions. There is no leader which the group lacks. Due Regards Natarajanji. Dr. Rath

From: Natarajan Viswanathan To: "[email protected]" Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:49 PM Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Dr.RATH,

Namasthe.I think you have wrongly Understood my question.My intention is not to test the astrologers,but to test the efficacy of the the system.If a system is scientific then it should give the same result all the time for all.I am trying to find out a system that will be accepted by one and all.The basic thing of KP SYSTEM lies with very accurate birth moment as for natal charts concerned.This is not a problem with KP HORARY.Inspite of our GURUJI KSK introduced his superb techinique 40 years back why there is a lot of confusion among KP FOLLOWERS.It seems people have still not got the epicenter of KP SYSTEM.Only when questions are raised,then only answers will come.I started learning KP 30 YEARS before. Even to day my predictions are not coming always correct and many of my predictions have come meticulusly correct.I am still a student of KP SYSTEM.Even my experience with direct diciples of GURUJI KP was disappointing.I am sure you will understand me. With the best REGARDS V.Natarajan

From: Luther Rath To: "[email protected]" Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Natarajanji, Sorry to intervene, kindly excuse me. In case you ask the same question i.e. BTR, to 3 or 4 astrologers, it is understood that you have no confidence on the particular astrologers. You are trying to test each of them. This is not fare. If you are not fare the result will never be correct. One has to approach an astrologer with full urge, sincerity, faith and confidence. This is what I can say. Let us wait what Lajmiji tells us about this. Dr. Rath

From: Natarajan Viswanathan To: "[email protected]" Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:32 PM Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Mr.Yogesh Lajmi,

On the subject matter please clarify the following. To rectfy birth time using ruling planets at the time of judgement,suppose if i have made a request for BTR to 3 or 4 KP followers and each one of them choose a different time on different dates , will every one arrive at the same rectified birth time? If the method is perfectly correct ,i think,the divne force will make every one to choose a particular time on the day of judgement so as to arrive at the same correct birth time.Kindly give your considered view on the same.

Regards, V.Natarajan

From: Yogesh Lajmi To: "[email protected]" Cc: Dhirendra Nath Misra Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:46 AM Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge [1 Attachment]

Dear Dhirendranathji,

Am sending alongwith a lecture on Rectification of Birth Time & Exact TOB...delivered by me at a seminar organised by Shri Gondhalekarji,at Thane... Pl peruse and send your comments,if any... With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi. GOOD LUCK !

From: Dhirendra Nath Misra To: "[email protected]" Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 11:36 PM Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Sirs, RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME & EXACT TIME OF BIRTHRuling planets of query time also tells the exact time of birth.I have found it to be correct.Revered Guru ji Prof.K.S.K basically

used to use this technique for BTR.But for this consultant must have to bow down his head before supreme power with a great urge to know his exact time of birth and then only knowledgeable astrologer would be able to tell the secret of this secret and divine science.Now a days Astrologers use ruling planets of judgement time only. Besides what has been mentioned above,it is also a secret of this secret and divine science that when a consultant would get an opportunity to approach a knowledgeable Astrologer with a great urge to put his query before him.Astrologer must be a spiritual person besides what bookish and practical knowledge he has gathered. Please correct me,if I'm wrong.Perhaps this was the reason that BTR Experiment thread failed for want of real URGE. With thanks & regards, Dhirendra Nath Misra.