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 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 I want to make it very clear what my (so BAU's) stance is on external / third party websites and communities. As much as I want to be friendly and polite to other groups, I have to draw the line somewhere.   

do not link to brony Facebook groups and pages do not link to private Facebook events (private = group-only) do not advertise other brony forums fo rums and groups

There are some exceptions to these rules so please query me directly if you want to check if  you're allowed to post it. Event organisers that use Facebook groups are encouraged to post forum calendar events and threads for their events, but please do not link to the event itself (unless it's public, see the rules above).

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 Merrylexiious

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Look! It's Featured!, SA Posts: 2,116 Joined: Jan 2012 Question, Is this a legal issue or just a personal one? t he Dumbledore." "Open the Dumblerdoor, get on the Dumblefloor, everybody walk the Derrick Steamstram Today, 01:50 PM Rate User [23] Email Message Website Find Report

Cameron:D

Administrator Ormiston, QLD Posts: 2,494 Joined: Dec 2011 (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to brony Facebook groups and pages I can kinda agree with this, although it hasn't really been much of a problem. Most of why you don't want Facebook stuff posted is due to your personal problems with a group in the past and I'm not sure that that should be the grounds for a complete ban. (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to private Facebook events (private = grouponly) Makes sense (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums I don't really agree with this at all, there is a lot that happens on other forums and discussioncentered sites in teh brony community and banning links to them doesn't make sense to me. (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony groups Define group

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 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 01:50 PM)Merrylexiious Wrote: Question, Is this a legal issue or just a personal one? Neither. I'm doing this in the interest of the community. (Today 01:51 PM)Cameron:D Wrote: (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to brony Facebook groups and pages I can kinda agree with this, although it hasn't really been much of a problem. Most of why you don't want Facebook stuff posted is due to your personal problems with a group in the past and I'm not sure that that should be the grounds for a complete ban.

This isn't a personal thing. (Today 01:51 PM)Cameron:D Wrote: (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums I don't really agree with this at all, there is a lot that happens on other forums and discussioncentered sites in teh brony community and banning links to them doesn't make sense to me. (Today 01:32 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony groups Define group

I should've been more specific. I'm mostly talking about Australian brony groups, however it also applies to any third party community. It's intended to stop people taking other people away from our community. If in doubt, you should contact me directly. Chances are I'll approve of it, but there are some instances when I won't.

The overall thing I'm trying to get across here is to t o stop people from saying "Hey guys, join this community!". Caspar is my OC (This post was last modified: Today 01:58 PM by Jazza Jazza..) Today, 01:51 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find

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 Merrylexiious

Donator Look! It's Featured!, SA Posts: 2,116 Joined: Jan 2012 (Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 01:50 PM)Merrylexiious Wrote: Question, Is this a legal issue or just a personal one? Neither. I'm doing this in the interest of the community. I see, Another question. (Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums

I'd like a bit more context with wit h this, Is this to stop advertising? I'm curious. "Open the Dumblerdoor, get on the Dumblefloor, everybody walk the Dumbledore. " Derrick Steamstram Today, 01:56 PM Jazza likes this post Rate User [23] Email Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 01:56 PM)Merrylexiious Wrote:

(Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums

I'd like a bit more context with this, Is this to stop advertising? I'm curious. Yes, exactly. Even if people don't say "Go here, it's a cool place!" I don't w ant people accidentally drawing people away from here. Caspar is my OC Today, 01:59 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

 Porcupine

Moderator Aldgate, SA Posts: 2,360 Joined: Dec 2011 (Today 01:59 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 01:56 PM)Merrylexiious Wrote: (Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums I'd like a bit more context with wit h this, Is this to stop advertising? I'm curious. Yes, exactly. Even if people don't say "Go here, it's a cool place!" I don't want people accidentally drawing people away from here. I guess that makes sense, but I feel like it's unnecessary. We should be able to keep people here just by being an awesome community, not by restricting links to other communities. YouTube | Tumblr | Soundcloud | Steam Today, 02:09 PM black_storm_clouds,, Jazza black_storm_clouds Jazza,, Mysa Mysa,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [16] Email Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:09 PM)Porcupine Wrote: (Today 01:59 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 01:56 PM)Merrylexiious Wrote: (Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: do not link to other brony forums I'd like a bit more context with this, Is this to stop advertising? I'm curious. Yes, exactly. Even if people don't say "Go here, it's a cool place!" I don't w ant people accidentally drawing people away from here. I guess that makes sense, but I feel like it's unnecessary. We should be able to keep people here just by being an awesome community, not by restricting links to other communities. I agree, but we have to do what we can to encourage people not to join others. It's less about that and more about people blatantly advertising. Like this. this. Caspar is my OC Today, 02:13 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

 ExplodingPonyToast  ExplodingPonyToa st

Moderator Adelaide Hills, SA

Posts: 2,294 Joined: Dec 2011 Okay, so the main problem I have with this is when I organise the South Australian brony meets. I always make a forum thread for each meet, as well as a Facebook event. event. This has shown to work well, and on occasion has also drawn people from Facebook to Bronies Australia. I have tried to promote Bronies Australia at events and such, but at the end of the day I am not other people and cannot force them to use Bronies Australia instead of Facebook  for these things. So what I am asking is, may I still link to the Facebook event page in the OP of my threads? If not then I thoroughly disagree with this as it seems far too strict and I don't want that kind of environment promoted here, I don't think we need to be overly tight on such regulations - it's unnecessary. unnecessary. Fluttershy is best pony| pony|Tumblr Tumblr||Steam Steam||YouTube Today, 02:25 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmaslightsiesta black_storm_clouds Christmaslightsiesta,, Jazza Jazza,, MissyGoldilox MissyGoldilox,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [35] Message Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:25 PM)ExplodingPonyToast Wrote: Okay, so the main problem I have with this is when I organise the South Australian brony meets. I always make a forum thread for each meet, as well as a Facebook event. This has shown to work well, and on occasion has also drawn people from Facebook to Bronies Australia. I have tried to promote Bronies Australia at events and such, but at the end of the day I am not other people and cannot force them to use Bronies Australia instead of Facebook for these things. So what I am asking is, may I still link to the Facebook event page in the OP of my threads? If not t hen I thoroughly disagree with this as it seems far too strict and I don't want that kind of environment promoted here, I don't think we need to be overly tight on such regulations - it's unnecessary. unnecessary. This is where the exceptions come into play. If people can explain good reasons why they should be able to link to another brony community, then I would probably permit it. Caspar is my OC Today, 02:27 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find

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 ExplodingPonyToast  ExplodingPonyToa st

Moderator Adelaide Hills, SA Posts: 2,294 Joined: Dec 2011 Alrighty, sounds ok to me then. As long as this is done sensibly then I'm ok with it. Fluttershy is best pony| pony|Tumblr Tumblr||Steam Steam||YouTube Today, 02:33 PM Rate User [35] Message Find Report

Christmas Riot 

Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 Dude this is kinda ridiculous, if there is a cool event or what not being put on by another group why cant we go hey check this out we should go and have fun. Its not driving people away or making them choose its being all inclusive, and then to try and say its good for the community is asinine. "I agree, but we have to do what we can to encourage people people not to join others. It's less about that and more about people blatantly advertising." This right here is the problem for some reason you always have this preconceived notion that its us vs them, its not. That link you posted wasn't blatantly advertising as much as trying to show off a good time. And why must we be hay you should come here and only here.... seriously buck that. The community is not going to die just because people visit other sites every now and then. So yea my opinion which Im sure will be ignored as per usual, but this seems like a heavy case of god admining and is bringing up flashbacks of teh whole "Your" community thing. People aren't forced to stay here and the more rules like this you enforce, the more you may drive people away.

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SpaceKringle

Earth pony Ormeau, QLD Posts: 2,418 Joined: Dec 2011 Am I the only one of the impression that a person can be in multiple groups at once? I'd also like to say that making a ton of restrictions isn't the way to encourage people to stay/join the community.

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Cameron:D

Administrator Ormiston, QLD Posts: 2,494 Joined: Dec 2011 (Today 01:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: I should've been more specific. I'm mostly talking about Australian brony groups, however it also applies to any third party community. It's intended to stop people taking other people away from our community. If in doubt, you should contact me directly. Chances are I'll approve of it, but there are some instances when I won't. I think things like this should be handled on a more reactive basis, rather than outright banning them before anything happens. happens. No one is going to ask you if they are allowed to post a link, instead they will just not post it because that is a lot easier than waiting hours for a response for you. Also in response to the Facebook groups, I feel that outright banning links to them will actually most people away from our community as the active members in the FB groups are going to see that cross-discussion between between their group and our community is not allowed so they aren't going to bother being active here or getting others to sign up here. Today, 02:41 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmas Riot, black_storm_clouds Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [25] Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Dude this is kinda ridiculous, if there is a cool event or what not being put on by another group why cant we go hey check this out we should go and have fun. Its not driving people away or making them choose its being all inclusive, and then to try and say its good for the community is asinine. That's why I specifically said that event organisers should create an event here. Is that so hard? (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: That link you posted wasn't blatantly advertising as much as trying to show off a good time.

Are you looking at the same link I am? (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: So yea my opinion which Im sure will be ignored as per usual, but this seems like a heavy case of god admining and is bringing up flashbacks of teh whole "Your" community thing. People aren't forced to stay here and the more rules like this you enforce, the more you may drive people away.

I haven't been running successful communities for years? This is how most other communities operate, it's how BAU has been operating since da y one pretty much (I've had to privately request people to remove advertisements) advertisements) and now I'm just putting out here in the open. Would you like me to be more strict than I am? I could easily be x100 more stricter and impose numerous more rules to restrict everyone. Yet I am not. The mere fact that I'm allowing everyone to discuss and oppose rules shouldn't be taken for granted.

(Today 02:41 PM)Cameron:D Wrote: I think things like this should be handled on a more reactive basis, rather than outright banning them before b efore anything happens. No one is going to ask you if they are allowed to post a link, li nk, instead they will just not post it because that is a lot easier than waiting hours for a response for you.

I'm quite sick of requesting other people to take down links and the like, so I'm saving myself  a lot of time and effort doing it in future. (Today 02:41 PM)Cameron:D Wrote: Also in response to the Facebook groups, I feel that outright banning links to them will actually most people away from our community as the active members in the FB groups are going to see that cross-discussion between their group and our community is not allowed so they aren't going to bother being active here or getting others to sign up here.

Facebook groups are the number one competitor to this community. I have worked very hard from day one to make BAU what it is, even with a lot of criticism from Facebook groups. It is true that I have an intense disliking for Facebook groups, groups, however I believe my actions to ban them are not related. Caspar is my OC (This post was last modified: Today 02:44 PM by Jazza Jazza..) Today, 02:41 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

Christmas Riot 

Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 Not at all space, I am in multiple groups, why because I love interacting with everyone, and yet the site I frequent the most seems to have the largest problem with sharing, I honestly dont get it. Today, 02:41 PM Rate User [39] Email Message Website Find Report

Paingod556 

Earth pony Solaris VIII, WA Posts: 2,259 Joined: Oct 2011 I don't get what you linked. So we can't link li nk to a Facebook gallery of pictures of an event people here went to that they might be interested in viewing without any implications of ' you guys should totally join this group'? Gotta agree, getting kinda draconian here. What about sharing info from other forums while linking to said forum to let people know the source? Or should I just make myself a target of  SA again? Today, 02:42 PM Alex Haley, Haley, Christmas Riot like this post Rate User [23] Message Website Find

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 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:42 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: I don't get what you linked. So we can't link to a Facebook gallery of pictures of an event people here went to that they might be interested in viewing without any implications of 'you guys should totally join this group'? Why not upload the photos to an Imgur gallery then link them here? Not everyone has Facebook either. Caspar is my OC Today, 02:47 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

Christmas Riot 

Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 (Today 02:41 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Dude this is kinda ridiculous, if there is a cool event or what not being put on by another group why cant we go hey check this out we should go and have fun. Its not driving people away or making them choose its being all inclusive, and then to try and say its good for the community is asinine. That's why I specifically said that event organisers should create an event here. Is that so hard? (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: That link you posted wasn't blatantly blatantl y advertising as much as trying to show off a good time.

Are you looking at the same link I am? i gnored (Today 02:35 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: So yea my opinion which Im sure will be ignored as per usual, but this seems like a heavy case of god admining and is bringing up flashbacks of teh whole "Your" community thing. People aren't forced to stay here and the more rules like this you enforce, the more you may drive people away. I haven't been running successful communities for years? This is how most other communities operate, it's how BAU has been operating since da y one pretty much (I've had to privately request people to remove advertisements) advertisements) and now I'm just putting put ting out here in the open. Would you like me to be more strict than I am? I could easily be x100 more stricter and impose numerous more rules to restrict everyone. Yet I am not. The mere fact that I'm allowing everyone to discuss and oppose rules shouldn't be taken f or granted. Point 1. So your saying if a facebook group is holding an event, we can point it out, we just have to take all teh details, recreate them and then start a new event and yada yada yada work..... that's a lot of busy work that can be shortened with one link, one link that people are still getting from this site.

Point 2. Agree to disagree

Point 3. Running a community is different to owning a community, have you been successful at running it? Yes, but that doesnt mean you own it. Similarly saying that its now open for discussion is kind of a lie, yes we can discus the rule changes but nothing is going change, the rules are still going to be their t heir so really discussing them is pointless, especially whenever whenever you bite anyone's head off who disagrees. I have been on other sites, they dont operate this way, I have never seen a forum impose rules like these, nor have I seen one so desperate not to let members go, its off putting and thats why most forums dont do it . Today, 02:48 PM Rate User [39] Email Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:48 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Point 1. So your saying if a facebook group is holding an event, we can point it out, we just have to take all teh details, recreate them and then start a new event and yada yada yada work..... that's a lot of busy work that can be shortened with one link, one link that people are still getting from this site. Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If an organiser can't spend the 30 seconds or so to create an event here, then they don't deserve to organise an event. (Today 02:48 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Point 3. Running a community is different to owning a community, have you been successful at running it? Yes, but that doesnt mean you own it. Similarly saying that its now open for discussion is kind of a lie, yes we can discus the rule changes but nothing is going change, the rules are still going to be their so really discussing them is pointless, especially whenever you bite anyone's head off who disagrees. I have been on other sites, they dont operate this way, I have never seen a forum impose rules like these, nor have I seen one so desperate not to let members go, its off putting and thats why most forums dont do it.

A) I do own BAU. That's why I can introduce rules without discussing them with staff, that's why I can change anything on BAU without anyone's permission, that's why I spend hours of  my day working on it to make it the best it can be and that's why BAU is how it is today. B) You've never seen other forums impose i mpose rules like these? Alrighty then. Caspar is my OC (This post was last modified: Today 02:52 PM by Jazza Jazza..) Today, 02:51 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

Opine_Dazemas

Donator Rarity's biggest fan!, WA Posts: 1,729 Joined: Oct 2011 You're kind of pressing this a bit too far Jazza. I mean yes blatant advertising is an issue (one that we dont see on this forum very often) but banning linking to other communities all together? That's kind of taking to too far. Especially when it comes to meetups when you consider most meets are organized in conjunction with the FB groups. There is nothing

wrong with linking the FB photo album or a FB even or even if people are curious as to the people they were hanging out with, the group themselves. No offense but this just seems like you're pressing your personal hate of Facebook onto the the rest of the forum because you don't want the members to associate with the FB groups. Also the biggest issue I see with this is the t he lack of communication with the mods and other staff. You always say that you want the staff to have input and that you want them to be included in decisions. Yet you did this out of the blue, no staff discussion in meetings and not even a thread discussing it in the staff forums, nothing. I honestly think you should have come to a consensus with the rest (or rather the majority) majorit y) of the staff before making any

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Christmas Riot 

Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 (Today 02:51 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 02:48 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Point 1. So your saying if a facebook group is holding an event, we can point it out, we just have to take all teh details, recreate them and then start a new event and yada yada yada work..... that's a lot of busy work that can be shortened with one link, one link that people are still getting from this site. Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. If an organiser can't spend the 30 seconds or so to create an event here, then they don't deserve to organise an event. (Today 02:48 PM)Christmas Riot Wrote: Point 3. Running a community is different to owning a community, have you been successful at running it? Yes, but that doesnt mean you own it. Similarly saying that its now open for discussion is kind of a lie, yes we can discus the rule changes but nothing is going change, the rules are still going to be their so reall y discussing them is pointless, especially whenever you bite anyone's head off who disagrees. I have been on other sites, they dont operate this way, I have never seen a forum impose rules like these, nor have I seen one so desperate not to let members go, its off putting and thats why most forums dont do it.

A) I do own BAU. That's why I didn't discuss it with the staff, that's why I make the rules, that's why I spend hours of my day working on it to make it the best it can be. B) You've never seen other forums impose i mpose rules like these? Alrighty then.

Ok back to point 1 what if your not the one whos actually organizing it, you heard of it from the facebook group and want more people to come, you actually don't know all the details  just have the facebook facebook link. By creating the event event again through here here you may be giving giving people the wrong details or misleading them into thinking its something it isnt..... hell from what you wrote im not even sure you would be allowed to even do that.

The other point you own the site yes, you run the site yes, you don't own the community, they aren't things that can be owned by one person, its a collective. Thats why when I see you make these decisions for the community, without discussing it with the community I cant help but feel your taking it a step to far. Im not the only one here who thinks some of these rules are ridiculous and it wouldn't have come as such a shock if you had discussed it with people first. Today, 02:56 PM ouchjars likes this post Rate User [39] Email Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:54 PM)Opine_Dazemas Wrote: You're kind of pressing this a bit too far Jazza. I mean yes blatant advertising is an issue (one that we dont see on this forum very often) but banning linking to other communities all together? That's kind of taking to too far. Especially when it comes to meetups when you consider most meets are organized in conjunction with the FB groups. There is nothing wrong with linking the FB photo album or a FB even or even if people are curious as to the people they were hanging out with, the group themselves. No offense but this just seems like you're pressing your personal hate of Facebook onto the the

rest of the forum because you don't want the members to associate with the FB groups. Also the biggest issue I see with this is the t he lack of communication with the mods and other staff. You always say that you want the staff to have input and that you want them to be included in decisions. Yet you did this out of the blue, no staff discussion in meetings and not even a thread discussing it in the staff forums, nothing. I honestly think you should have come to a consensus with the rest (or rather the majority) of the staff before making any

major changes to the rules. It seems that I'm the only person who understands understands why I'm doing this, so I didn't see any reason to mention this to the staff. By saying what you've said, you've proved my point. Caspar is my OC Today, 02:59 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

 ExplodingPonyToast  ExplodingPonyToa st

Moderator Adelaide Hills, SA Posts: 2,294 Joined: Dec 2011 Maybe if you are the only person who understands it then you may actually be incorrect with this decision? It just seems to me that the stance on this with what you've just said is 'they won't agree with me so I won't tell t ell them'. Fluttershy is best pony| pony|Tumblr Tumblr||Steam Steam||YouTube Today, 03:01 PM black_storm_clouds,, Cameron:D black_storm_clouds Cameron:D,, Christmas Riot, Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, Opine_Dazemas Opine_Dazemas,, ouchjars,, Pikachristmas ouchjars Pikachristmas,, SubjectNumber2394 like this post Rate User [35] Message Find Report

Paingod556 

Earth pony Solaris VIII, WA Posts: 2,259 Joined: Oct 2011 Hey Jazza. Mohamed Morsi You are the internet version. Take a step back and look at how you're running this. Its not about the new restrictions anymore. Its about how you're dealing with implementing change and informing the mod team. Get your shit sorted. I know you're trying to balance access with control, but you're making serious missteps. Today, 03:02 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmas Riot, black_storm_clouds Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, lolz_97 lolz_97,, Opine_Dazemas Opine_Dazemas,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [23] Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 Okay next time I'll be sure to sugar coat my m y announcement announcement and make sure to use pretty pictures of Aurora and nicely worded text. Caspar is my OC Today, 03:04 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

 ExplodingPonyToast  ExplodingPonyToa st

Moderator Adelaide Hills, SA Posts: 2,294 Joined: Dec 2011 I really don't think that's what people are trying tr ying to say Jazza. I just think you're getting a little bit too strict is all. Fluttershy is best pony| pony|Tumblr Tumblr||Steam Steam||YouTube Today, 03:06 PM ouchjars likes this post Rate User [35] Message Find Report

Opine_Dazemas

Donator Rarity's biggest fan!, WA Posts: 1,729 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 02:59 PM)Jazza Wrote: It seems that I'm the only person who understands why I'm doing this, so I didn't see any reason to mention this to the staff. By saying what you've said, you've proved my point. So wait, your point is what exactly? Based on that the only point I can see is that you only want mods that agree with you and let you have all the power. Seriously I'm confused, what point? Is it that you don't trust mods to see what is best for the community? That you don't want the mods to discuss some things because you feel to strongly about t hem personally? That you think your mods don't like you and that they will disagree with you because they think you are doing it for personal reasons? Seriously, if it was what was best for the site then it would have been a conclusion reached by majority of the staff, not just one person. You should have brought it to us first and got our say on it and if it was truly what is best for the site then we would have agreed with you. My big bone to pick with this is not the rule itself but the way you went about implementing it.

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Christmas Riot 

Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 (Today 03:02 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: Hey Jazza. Mohamed Morsi You are the internet version. Take a step back and look at how you're running this. Its not about the new restrictions anymore. Its about how you're dealing with implementing change and informing the mod team. Get your shit sorted. I know you're trying to balance access with control, but you're making serious missteps. Were only bringing this up because we care about the site, if we didn't we wouldn't be here. Its just changes and acting like this could have the opposite effect of what you may be intending. Today, 03:08 PM ouchjars likes this post Rate User [39] Email Message Website Find Report

Paingod556 

Earth pony Solaris VIII, WA Posts: 2,259 Joined: Oct 2011 No, next time you inform the staff and consider potential reactions. Edit- seriously, I enjoy this forum and ain't going anywhere, but a few times you've erred. This time you've more/less shown us why that may be. You need a wakeup call on how you handle things. This is your motherfucking wakeup call. (This post was last modified: Today 03:13 PM by Paingod556 Paingod556..) Today, 03:10 PM black_storm_clouds,, ExplodingPonyToast black_storm_clouds ExplodingPonyToast,, Mysa Mysa,, NedKelpie NedKelpie,, Opine_Dazemas Opine_Dazemas,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [23] Message Website Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 03:10 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: No, next time you inform the staff and consider potential reactions. Honestly I expected this reaction. Caspar is my OC Today, 03:11 PM Rate User [41] Email Message

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lolz_97 

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Opine_Dazemas

Donator Rarity's biggest fan!, WA Posts: 1,729 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 03:11 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 03:10 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: No, next time you inform the staff and consider potential reactions. Honestly I expected this reaction.

Then why did you do it.... Today, 03:13 PM lolz_97,, Mysa lolz_97 Mysa,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [28] Message Find Report

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Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 (Today 03:11 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 03:10 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: No, next time you inform the staff and consider potential reactions. Honestly I expected this reaction. * Christmas Riot smashes head on keyboard repeatedly repeatedly

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Founder Perth, WA Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 03:13 PM)Opine_Dazemas Wrote: (Today 03:11 PM)Jazza Wrote: (Today 03:10 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: No, next time you inform the staff and consider potential reactions. Honestly I expected this reaction.

Then why did you do it.... Why I do a lot of things here - I believe it's the ri ght course of action for the community, even at the cost of the disagreement of the community. I'm not sure if you guys know - a lot of people hate me. It seems s eems that a lot more people now do as well. Caspar is my OC (This post was last modified: Today 03:18 PM by Jazza Jazza..) Today, 03:17 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find

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Earth pony Solaris VIII, WA Posts: 2,259 Joined: Oct 2011 So you expected cries of totalitarianism, a confused mod team and your integrity to t o be questioned, and still green lit it. This is why you discuss with those with opposing views first and explain reasons. And not 'because I run this and we're doing it anyway'. Like in the past. Its disingenuous and stupid. Today, 03:17 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmas Riot, black_storm_clouds Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, lolz_97 lolz_97,, Mysa Mysa,, Opine_Dazemas Opine_Dazemas,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [23] Message Website Find Report

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Wiki Editor Marion, SA Posts: 207 Joined: Apr 2012 I don't get it. Some more explanation would be nice. That's all I can say about it for now. Today, 03:21 PM Rate User [5] Email Message Find Report

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Unicorn pony Ponyville, SA Posts: 1,664 Joined: Jan 2012 Jazza, we don't hate you. We just dislike your idea. Just because someone may like clop doesn't mean I hate them. That's petty, rude, and selfish. Don't pretend that this community hates you because it isn't true. Tacosss. Today, 03:21 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmas Riot, black_storm_clouds Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, ExplodingPonyToast , lolz_97 lolz_97,, Mysa,, ouchjars like this post Mysa Rate User [25] Message Website Find Report

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Earth pony Toowong, QLD Posts: 2,334 Joined: Jul 2012 and here we go with the paranoia BS again we dont hate you Jazza we just want you to talk to us and make collaborative decisions, having a disagreement does not equal hate. what will get people to hate you however is continuing to not listen to them after all this stuff  has been pointed out. (This post was last modified: Today 03:22 PM by Christmas Riot. Riot.) Today, 03:22 PM black_storm_clouds,, Cameron:D black_storm_clouds Cameron:D,, ouchjars like this post Rate User [39] Email

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Donator Rarity's biggest fan!, WA Posts: 1,729 Joined: Oct 2011

Again, if it what was right for the community the the mods would have agreed with you. You may own the joint but that doesn't mean you always know whats best for it. Read: George Bush Today, 03:23 PM black_storm_clouds,, Christmas Riot, black_storm_clouds Riot, Christmaslightsiesta Christmaslightsiesta,, ExplodingPonyToast , lolz_97 lolz_97,, Mysa,, ouchjars Mysa ouchjars,, SpaceKringle SpaceKringle,, SubjectNumber2394 like this post Rate User [28] Message Find Report

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Cutie Mark Crusader Dee Why, NSW Posts: 141 Joined: Oct 2012 (Today 03:23 PM)Opine_Dazemas Wrote:

Again, if it what was right for the community the the mods would have agreed with you. You may own the joint but that doesn't mean you always know whats best for it . Read: George Bush

that made me ROFL, and my dad turned around and hes smirking... http://folding.extremeoverclocking.com/s. http://folding.extremeove rclocking.com/s...c8ed0&bg= ..c8ed0&bg=2 2 Today, 03:24 PM Christmas Riot likes this post Rate User [5] Email Message Find Report

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Donator Brismane, QLD Posts: 1,063 Joined: Sep 2012 Is it just me or has this gotten out of hand?

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Administrator Ormiston, QLD Posts: 2,494 Joined: Dec 2011 (Today 03:11 PM)Jazza Wrote:

(Today 03:10 PM)Paingod556 Wrote: No, next time you inform the staff and consider

potential reactions. Honestly I expected this reaction. Why did you expect this reaction? Today, 03:24 PM Rate User [25] Message Website Find Report

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Banned NSW, Posts: 97 Joined: Dec 2011 See this Jazza, this is exactly why we're different people. Sure, we both may be complete pricks when we want to be but unlike you, I don't l imit what my so called friends and followers can post. Are you that insecure that you don't want your internet buddies leaving you? Get a life, chump. Today, 03:24 PM Rate User [] Message Find Report

 Jazza

Founder Perth, WA

Posts: 6,678 Joined: Oct 2011 Thanks everyone for your input. It's slowly sinking in that I need to re -adjust how I run this community. From this day onwards we'll be forming a new system of government. We'll have an elected president, a board of directors and more. Who's up for term 1 of presidency? Someone else else more qualified than me, I'm sure. As childish as it sounds, it sounds like it could work a lot better. One person making a single bad decision has too many ramifications and causes too much controversy. Oh oh oh, the president could blame his or her bad decision on the people below him! I'm liking this a lot... Edit: At least one good thing came out of this - Koroshi slipped up. I was waiting until I could ban him. Edit(2): I'm going to go back to work and come back to this in a few hours. I'm hoping a clear head will help resolve all of this. Am I learning from last time? It sounds like it! Caspar is my OC (This post was last modified: Today 03:27 PM by Jazza Jazza..) Today, 03:25 PM Rate User [41] Email Message Website Find Report

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Donator Rarity's biggest fan!, WA Posts: 1,729 Joined: Oct 2011 (Today 03:25 PM)Jazza Wrote: One person making a single bad decision has too many ramifications and causes too much controversy. It's not a single bad decision and it isn't the first time you have done something like this...

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