Difference Between Sayana and Nirayana Systems

MA-ASTROLOGY -II YEAR - PAPER- II - LESSON - 9 NOTES PREPARED BY SREENIVAS DESABHATLA

DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SAYANA AND NIRAYANA SYSTEMS 1. There are several differences between Western and Hindu methods. Western astrologers follow a system of presenting the planets as they are in the sky, which is known as sayana system. Hindu astrologers follow Nirayana system wherein the shift of the earth is taken off called ayanamsha.

Earth would not occupy the same position after say, 366 days.

There will be a difference of approximately 50" of arc per year.

As this reference plane

will be changing, Hindus follow fixed zodiac. The time when the two zodiacs coincided (0 degree Ayanamsha) is a point of dispute. 2. There are broadly speaking 3 Ayanamshas, Raman, KP and Lahiri. By my experience spread over several years, I finally decided to adopt Lahiri Ayanamsha - after conducting many observations on the charts, which would remarkably change when different Ayanamshas were used. For convenience sake, the Lahiri ayanamsha found in ephemeris are rounded off. I would rather calculate the desired ayanamsha on an excel sheet and use that in my calculations. Fortunately, some software have provision to make corrections to Ayanamsha. 3. In Hindu system, there are several time scales called dashas. These are sub divided into antardasas (bhuktis). Some of the dashas are: Vimshottari (120 years), Tribhagi (wherein Vishottari periods are divided by 3), Astottari (108 years), Shodashottari (116 years), Chaturvimshottari (124 years), Shatabdika (100 years), Shashtyayini (60 years), Dwadashottari (112 years) in addition to Kalachakra dasha, Chara, Stira, Nirayana-sula Dashas of Jaimini system. Vimshottari dasa that treats the human life span to 120 years is most reliable one and is also widely followed. 4. My rationalist friend (who has kept One Lakh Rupees challenge to astrologers) finds that Astrologers use these time scales to "suite their needs". I would propose an analogy with the transmission of light. Light traveling in a straight-line principle explains how a sharp shadow is formed while the wave theory of transmission explains whom the same light moves to form semi-shadows like the illumination inside the house! Nirayana-sula dasha sees the life in a different perspective whereas Vimshottari in other! Being a practicing Astrologer of long standing, I find that Vimshottari dasha covers most aspects of life. Perhaps, you may like other systems as well. Each period begins with reference to the Moon's position in a certain star.

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5. The results of the periods and sub periods are got by a study of position, inter relationship, ownership, association etc., this time scale is not found in the Western system. Jaimini system Employs Stira, Chara and Sula Dashas and in this system, the signs (rasis) aspect each other and not planets! My rationalist friend has not thought of this concept as he has gone through Jaimini Sutra. 6. Divisional charts are derived from the basic chart. Navamsha, Dasamsha, Saptamsha etc, are generated by certain rules and these Divisional Charts are used to study a particular branch of life- like Dasamsha is used to study the professional front of the native. 7. Followers of Jaimini system as well as Sayana (Western) System are very few in India.

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Hindu system, the transit of planets are considered with reference to the Moon sign. In Western System there are no such elaborate literature and it is merely aspects formed by the planets with reference to cusp points. Here also, 180 degree (mutual aspect) is considered as "difficult' (evil) transit, whereas in the Hindu astrology, mutual aspect is not considered so. In western system, the mutual aspect of Guru And Shukra (Both Benefic Planets) is said to be evil one. But, in Hindu astrology it is an excellent aspect. 8. In my humble opinion., I found the Hindu method of Transit more accurate. Hindu astrology has well developed methods for Matching Charts For Marriage/ Business Partnership. Election astrology (muhurta) is well developed in Hindu astrology by study of stellar behavior. In Western System, the matching is done merely by characteristics of elements of signs like Watery, Earthy, Fiery, Airy. etc, and Muhurtha is done with reference to Significators of the natal chart. 9. In Western system the Annual chart used to find the results of a year from birth day to next birth day is merely a simple mathematical progression of natal chart. But, the Hindu system uses different charts as on birth day, a chart is made for the time when Sun enter the same position as in the natal chart and position of other planets are found out. Even a dasha system is used. 10. When it comes to mundane charts, in Western world charts are made for a new year which eventually begins at zero hours standard time of a country which is in no way related to planetary movement, not even on Sun! Hindus celebrate new year Ugadi when Sun and Moon are together i.e. the new year beings when the distance between Sun and Moon is zero degree and there should be a full moon in the star Chitra afterwards. 11. I am not belittling the Western system, I am comparing the tool boxes. Hindus have a good tool box and the Westerner's is still primitive. Astrologer should know when and how to use them. Otherwise tool box becomes a show piece like the big law manuals in my lawyer's office - unused, untouched but useful to impress others! 12. There is so much we should learn from our western counterparts. We simply put the board "so-and-so astrology research centre". What research went on by Dr. so and so

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Ph.D? He was busy matching the charts. The name of his studio was very impressive. Even after 25 years of practice, I can not call myself a research scholar. I am glad many of my juniors are in research or have already completed

SAYANA SYSTEM 1. Western System follow Movable Zodiac

NIRAYANA SYSTEM 1. Indian System (Vedic) follow Fixed Zodiac

2. This time scale is not found in the

2. There are several time scales called

Western system. They use Progressed

dashas for Timing of Event. These are

Horoscope for timing of Events.

sub divided into antardasas (bhuktis) for Fine tuning.

3. No Dasa Systems like Vedic Astrology

3. There are several Dasa Systems called Vimshottari (120 years), Tribhagi (wherein vishottari periods are divided by 3), Astottari (108 years), Shodashottari (116 years), Chaturvimshottari (124 years), Shatabdika (100 years), Shashtyayini (60 years), Dwadashottari (112 years) in addition to Kalachakra dasha, Chara, Stira, Nirayana-Sula Dashas of Jaimini system.

4. This time scale is not found in the Western system.

4. Each period begins with reference to the Moon's position in a certain star. The results of the periods and sub periods are got by a study of position, inter relationship, ownership, association etc

5. In Western system there are no such

5. The transit of all the planets are

elaborate literature and it is merely

considered with reference to the Moon

aspects formed by the planets with

Sign.

reference to cusp points. 6. The Birth sign is the Sun sign and decided as per the date of birth and

6. Star in which Moon is posited becomes the Natal sign which is the starting point

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Month 7. W.A. doesn't have Varga Charts for

used in Transit 7. Divisional charts which are derived from

narrowing the Prediction to Microcosm.

the Natal Chart like Navamsha,

But recently Some Western Astrologers

Dasamsha, Saptamsha etc, are

started using the Varga Charts in a

generated and these divisional charts

different name as 9th Harmonic Chart

are used to study a particular branch of

12th Harmonic Chart for Navamsa and

life. Like Dasamsha is used to study the

Dwadasamsa.

professional front of the native, Navamsa for Marriage, Saptamsa for Children etc,

8. Two Lumineries-Sun-Moon, 8 Planets -

8. Two Lumineries, 5 Planets- Mercury-

Mercury- Venus- Mars-Jupiter- Saturn-

Venus- Mars- Jupiter-Saturn, and two

Uranus- Neptune- Pluto - In total 10

Nodal Points called as Rahu and Ketu-

Planets are Used in Predictive

In Total 9 Planents are used in the

Astrology. He speaks for himself. He

Indian Nirayana System for Prediction.

avoids quoting without his own

There is no mention of the newly

comments

discovered Planets anywhere in the Indian system. 9. But recently some Astrologers combine both the system and use Sayana House Division in a Nirayana Chart and extra saturnine planets.

9. Benefic and malefic Planets are as per Aspect

10. Jupiter, Venus, Waxing Moon and Un associated Mercury are considered Benefic and the rest are considered as Malefic.

10. Aspects are considered between the Longitudes of the Planets 11. In Western Astrology Trine (120degrees)

11. Where as in Indian Astrology the Aspects are between Rasis. 12. There are special aspects to Jupiter,

and Sextile aspects give Good results,

Mars and Saturn which are considered

where as Square Aspect is Bad

as Full. Aspects of Natural Benefic is Good, whereas Aspects of Natural malefics is bad

12. Regarding Aspects also there is

13. Whereas in the Indian astrology, mutual

difference. 180 degree (mutual aspect)

aspect is not considered so. The mutual

is considered as "difficult' (evil) transit,

aspect between Jupiter and Moon is called as Gajakesari Yoga which gives

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excellant results. 13. In Western System, the mutual aspect of Guru And Shukra is said to be evil one

14. But, in Hindu astrology Guru And Shukra are benefic planets. and the Aspect is an excellent one

14. In Western system, the matching is

15. Hindu astrology has well developed

done merely by characteristics of

methods for matching charts for

Elements of signs like Watery, Fiery,

marriage/business partnership. Like

Airy and Earthy.

Ashta Koota Guna Matching and Dasa Koota Guna Matching.

15. 10th House is considered for Father

16. 9 th House is for Father and Sun as karaka for Father and Moon as Karaka for Mother.

16. Social conditions of different places

17. In Nirayana System the Horoscope is

have a bearing upon the Prediction.

casted to the place of birth and is

(May be different from Birth Place)

followed for the future prediction though the place of residence is different.

17. In Sayana System GMT is taken as the basis for calculating the sidereal time.

18. Actual position of planets without any correction is followed in Panchangas with glaring difference in thithis.

18. The Day and date change from midnight

19. The day is reckoned from Sunrise to the

in this system and there is no basis with

next day Sunrise in the Indian system.

reference to the Planets,not even the

Sun is considered the Soul and the

Sun.

prime indicator of Kala Purusha.

19. In Western system Raphael Ephemeris is used 20. Starting point is the beginning of the Cusp. 21. Planet in their own House is the Strongest 22. No Friendsship or enemity between

20. Lahiri Ephemeris is taken as the Standard one in India. 21. The starting point of the Lagna and other Bhava is the Mid Cusp 22. Exaltation of the planet is considered as the Strongest. 23. Natural Friendship and enemity between

Planets. Only Aspects are considered

Planets are considered. Ex. Sun and

as Good and Bad.

Saturn are natural enemies.

23. Planetary Ownership is given to Outer

24. Whereas in Indian system Scorpio Lord

Planets to Saturn's Orbit. Scorpio Lord

is Mars- Aquarius Lord is Saturn and -

is Pluto - Aquarius Lord is Uranus and -

Pisces Lord is Jupiter. There is no

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Pisces Lord is Neptune.

mention of the newly discovered Planets anywhere in the Indian system.

24. Election is done with reference to significators of the natal chart.

25. Election astrology (muhurta) is well developed in Hindu astrology by study of stellar behavior.

25. In Western system the annual chart

26. But, the Hindu system uses different

used to find the results of a year from

charts as on birth day, a chart is made

birth day to next birth day is merely a

for the time when Sun enter the same

simple mathematical progression of

position as in the natal chart and

natal chart

position of other planets are found out. Even a dasha system is used

26. When it comes to mundane charts, in

27. He will say, "My Guru teached me like

western world charts are made for a

this but I do not know whether it

new year which eventually begins at

works". He speaks for himself. He

zero hours standard time of a country

avoids quoting without his own

which is in no way related to planetary

comments.

movement, not even on Sun! 27. A western astrologer uses the word 'research' with due respect and care. .

28. Mangalik Dosha (or Kuja Dosha) is used to know something about the future Marriage Partner

Not only in astrology in any field, the westerner has lot of dedication and tries to achieve near perfection. 28. The W.A. uses Synastry for matching of haroscopes. They don't give much importance to Kuja Dosha. or ill placing of planets .

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