Conversando Con Claude Delangle Sobre El Cuerpo y La Interpretación

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Fujlhs l`gbjs Gchudj, y ougbhs nrhgkhs p`r jstj tkjop` quj l`s g`lgjdjs. Tucunhr hopck` fhnhij g`o` s`cksthoùctkpcjs y pr`ejs`rhspjgt`s tj sktùh dj jl ch ul prkvkcjnkhd` djsdj jc quj `fsjrvhr oùskgh. Wë quj jrjs ulh pjrs`lh ouy gurk`sh, y quj jcc` tj bh ccjvhd` h kltjrjshrtj thofkël p`r gujstk`ljs quj tkjljl quj vjr g`l jc jqukckfrk` g`rp`rhc hc bhgjr oùskgh. Oj nusthrïh bhgjrtj hcnulhs prjnulths hc rjspjgt`, quj sjnur` hp`rthrèl kltjrjshltjs gchvjs h lujstr`s cjgt`rjs.

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]hrh oï js hfs`cuthojltj ljgjshrk`. Cj dkn` h oks hcuol`s9 –jcjnkd c` quj qujrèks‟, qujrèks‟, y jcc`s dkgjl9 –v`y h g`rrjr, v`y h ch pksgklh, v`y jl fkgkgcjth‟.. [` fkgkgcjth‟ [` cjs dkn`9 –fkjl, js` js njlkhc, sjnur` quj c` ljgjsktèks, pjr` l` js su﬈gkjltj. Ljgjsktèks hcn` oès pr`euld` phrh jltjldjr ch rjchgk÷l jltrj rjspkrhr,, jc o`vkokjlt`, jc jqukckfrk`, rjspkrhr j qukckfrk`, ch ousguchturh pr`euldh. L` js s`c` p`rquj js` tj ccjvh h ulh oji`r p`skgk÷l hc t`ghr, skl` p`rquj js hcn` oès. Wj trhth dj tu g`oprjlsk÷l g`opcjth dj tu gujrp` jl rjchgk÷l g`l tu klstruojlt`‟. Iulthr c`s chd`s jltrj tu gujrp` y tu klstruojlt`.

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Wkjlt` quj ch djfkckdhd dj ok gujrp` js ok e`rthcjzh, ok chd` oès eujrtj. W`y ouy djcnhd`. ]js` hcrjdjd`r dj :: akc`s, :>, :2, g`o` oèxko` :6. W`y ouy cknjr`. cknjr`. Hdjoès, l` s`y ouy eujrtj. [ sk bhn` jseujrz`s oj jlgujltr` ohc jlsjnukdh. ]`r jijopc`, guhld` bhn` djp`rtj s`y ouy ohc` g`rrkjld` ouy rèpkd`, ` rjhckzhld` jseujrz`s nrhldjs. ]jr` s`y ouy fujl` rjhckzhld` ul pjqujø` jseujrz` durhltj chrn`s pjrk`d`s. Tjln` ougb` e`ld`. ]ujd` g`rrjr durhltj ulh b`rh ` ulh b`rh y ojdkh. ]`r djsg`lthd` quj l` oj eujrz` h oï okso`. Thofkël Thofkël pujd` kr jl fkgkgcjth fk gkgcjth durhltj ougb` tkjop`, tkj op`, pujd` lhdhr ougb` tkjop`, pjr` lulgh eujrz`. ]`r c` thlt` g`l jc shx`e÷l bhn` c` okso`. Fujl`, hb`rh v`y h guopckr guopckr 54. Guhld` jstudk`, pujd` jstudkhr d`s b`rhs ` trjs b`rhs oèxko`, skl sjltkr o`cjstkhs. Guhld` l`t` hcnulh o`cjstkh, guhld` l`t` quj jst`y ghlshd`, jlt`lgjs phr`. Klojdkhthojltj. Klgcus` hulquj l` bhyh hghfhd`. Grj` quj s`y ouy fujl` l`thld` ok gujrp`. Wkjlt` ougb` ok gujrp`. W`y ouy gukdhd`s` g`l c` quj g`o`, dujro` ougb` p`r ch l`gbj. W`y ouy gukdhd`s` p`rquj sk jst`y ghlshd` y l` oj gukd`, oujr`. L` pujd` s`frjvkvkr.. ]`rquj l` s`y su﬈gkjltjojltj eujrtj. Wë quj bhy njltj s`frjvkvkr quj js ouy eujrtj y pujdj fjfjr ougb`, djihr dj d`rokr d`rokr,, bhgjr ﬈jsths… [` oj oht` h oï okso` sk bhn` js`. C` së.

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Ouy h ojlud` jxkstj ulh dksgrjphlgkh jltrj c` quj jc kltërprjtj trhlsoktj g`l su gujrp` y c` quj rjhcojltj sujlh. Jl tu ghs` js hs`ofr`s` g`opr`fhr ch rkqujzh dj c` quj pr`dugjs s`l`rhojltj. °Gukdhss tus o`vkokjlt`s guhld` t`ghs0 °Gukdh Bj skd` g`lsgkjltj guhld` tjlïh 6= ` 6: hø`s. Guhld` jrh i`vjl oj o`vïh ougb` t`ghld`. t` ghld`. Ch njltj oj djgïh9 –tj oujvjs djohskhd`‟. djohskhd`‟. [ hcnùl pr`ejs`r djgïh9 –pujd` hdkvklhr tus njst`s ouskghcjs, pjr` l` pujd` `ïrc`‟. `ïrc`‟. –]`rquj t`d` c` bhgjs g`l c`s njst`s, pjr` l` g`l ch oùskgh jl sï okso`‟ okso`‟.. Trhfhië ul o`lt÷l g`l ch jsphcdh pjnhdh h ch phrjd phrh jsthfkckzhr ok e`roh dj t`ghr t`ghr… … ]jr` euk hg`lsjihd` ouy  i`vjl dj ch rjchgk÷l jltrj jc gujrp` y ch kltjrprjthgk÷l, jltrj ch rjspkrhgk÷l y jc gujrp`, y jc klstruojlt`. Dkrïh quj quj s`y ouy gukdhd`s` g`l oks hcuol`s s`frj js`.

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quj bhgjr g`l c` quj bhgjo`s g`l jc gujrp`. Ouy h ojlud`, guhld` c`s hcuol`s qukjrjl sjr ouy jxprjskv`s t`ghld` sj tjlshl jl jxgjs` °G÷o` sj pujdj jlg`ltrhr ul jqukckfrk` jltrj sjr jxprjskv` jxprjskv ` y jsthr ckfrj g`rp`rhcojltj g`rp`rhcojltj00 [` pkd` h oks hcuol`s quj ghltjl y quj dkrkihl. Xuj sjhl jc dkrjgt`r j kohnkljl ch `rqujsth, dj e`roh quj jxprjsjl t`d` c` quj pujdhl jxprjshr,, skl jc klstruojlt`. ]`rquj jxprjshr ]`rquj jc pr`fcjoh js quj guhld` bhy tjlsk÷l, bhy g`leusk÷l jltrj ch ousguchturh, jc gujrp`, ch eujrzh, y ch jxprjskvkdhd. L` ljgjsktho`s thlth eujrzh. L` ch ljgjsktho`s dj lklnulh ohljrh. Js ulh jspjgkj dj trhls﬈nurhgk÷l. Guhld` g`l`gjs c`s njst`s, guhld` ghlths y skjltjs jl tu kltjrk`r d`ldj tkjlj quj jsthr ch oùskgh, jlt`lgjs l` ljgjskths lklnùl jseujrz`.

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Guhld` g`l`gjs c`s njst`s, guhld` ghlths y skjltjs jl tu kltjrk`r d`ldj tkjlj quj jsthr ch oùskgh, jlt`lgjs l` ljgjskths lklnùl jseujrz`.

Eklhcojltj Gchudj, oj nusthrïh quj bhfchrhs djc jstudk`. Xukzès pujdj trhthrsj thofkël dj ulh gujstk÷l dj hgtktud. Guhld` bhy quj jstudkhr hcn` dkïgkc, °g÷o` njstk`lhrc` phrh l` tjlshrsj g`rp`rhcojltj djohskhd` djohskhd`00 Js hcn` quj oj phrjgj kltjrjshltj. ]`r jijopc`, guhld` ulh pkjzh js ouy dkïgkc, d`ldj bhy ougb` quj cjjr cjjr,, jltjldjr, d`oklhr, d`oklhr, gujstk`ljs tëglkghs, sthgght`, ouy hnud` …Dkïgkc djsdj guhcqukjr pult` dj vksth9 cjjr ch phrtkturh, c`s djthccjs… s`l ougbhs ougbhs g`shs quj kltjnrhr jl tu ojo`rkh. Wjnur` quj bhy phs`s jl c`s quj l` pujdjs gukdhr djohskhd` tu gujrp`. Jstès thl hfs`rt` jl ch cjgturh, jl ch oùskgh, jl ch g`oprjlsk÷l, jstudkhld` … ]jr` jstj jsthdk` l` djfjrïh durhr ougb`. Zlh vjz tkjljs ulh kdjh s`frj ch `frh, jlsjnukdh djfjrïhs kltjnrhr ch ehgkckdhd y ohltjljr skjoprj jc `fijtkv`. T`ghr T`ghr fkjl ulh `frh l` js t`ghr fkjl ulh `frh. T`ghr fkjl ulh `frh l` js su﬈gkjltj. Djfjrïh phrjgjr eègkc. Wk t`ghs fkjl ulh `frh pjr` l` phrjgj eègkc, l` t`ghs fkjl ch `frh. Guhcqukjr oùskgh, klgcukdh ch oùskgh jsgrkth, djfjrïh sjr jsgugbhdh g`o` kopr`vkshgk÷l. ]jr` sk skjltjs quj jc oùskg` jlerjltj tuy` sj jseujrzh, js ouy fujl`, bh trhfhihd` ouy fkjl, bttps9//njtp`gajt.g`o/js/rjhd/7:56:82=;=

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