AYANAMSA

AYANAMSA

Compiled with the documents of my beloved Guru Dev Shri Sri Tin Win ji Khullar Ayanamsa 1. The Khullar Ayanamsa is generally calculated by the following formula: AyanKP = (50.2388475/3600)*((YR-292)+(261/365)+(((MN-1)*30+DY)/365)) YR stands for year MN stands for Month DY stands for Day 2. It is generally the same as the KP straight line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa (KPSTLA) which is supported by KPAstro initial version to 3.5. KPSTLA = T*P/3600 where T = Year for calculation - 291 (zero ayanamsa year for KP Ayanamsa) P = Newcomb’s annual precession rate = 50.2388475 sec (for KP Ayanamsa) Note: For T as a fractional/decimal year taking days between required date and 15th April, it gives up to date ayanamsa value. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/30575 3. For example, for Tony Blair DOB May 6th 1953, Khullar ayanamsa 23:11:40 http://www.scribd.com/doc/6748971/Blair-Tony 3.1. AyanKP = (50.2388475/3600)*((YR-292)+(261/365)+(((MN-1)*30+DY)/365)) (YR-292)+(261/365) = (1953-292)+0.715068= 1639.715068 i.e. as the original formula gives the value for April 15, one more year than 291 is subtracted and then 261/365 for April 15 to December 31 is added in order to get January 1st value. {(MN-1)*30+DY)}/365= {(5-1)*30+6}/365=126/365=0.345205, i.e. the decimal year from January 1st to May 6th. 1639.715068+0.345205= 1.060273 AyanKP = (50.2388475/3600)*(1.060273)= 23:11:40 (Khullar ayanamsa) 3.2. KPSTLA = T*P/3600 3.2.1. (1953-291)* 50.2388475/3600= 1662*50.2388475/3600=23:11:37 for April 15th 1953 Ayanamsa value for April 15th to May 6th= 50.2388475 (21/365)= 3 sec KPSTLA = 23:11:37 + 00:00:03= 23:11:40 for May 6th 1953 3.2.2. By taking a decimal year from April 15th to May 6th (1662+21/365=1662.0575), KPSTLA = (1953-291)* 50.2388475/3600= 1662.0575*50.2388475/3600= 23:11:40 4. Comparison of Ayanamsa Values (As of 1st Jan in D-M-S) Year KPNA KPSTLA LAHIRI* KPSTLA Lahiri minus minus KPNA STLA

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1000 09-50-25 09-53-25 09-55-12 0-3-00 0-1-47 1800 20-58-33 21-03-16 21-03-45 0-4-43 0-0-29 1850 21-40-24 21-45-08 21-45-37 0-4-44 0-0-29 1900 22-22 16 22-27-00 22-27-56 0-4-44 0-0-56 1950 23-04-08 23-08-52 23-09-27 0-4-48 0-0-35 2000 23-46-01 23-50-44 23-51-11 0-4-43 0-0-27 2010 23-54-23 23-59-21 24-00-04 0-4-58 0-1-43 3000 37-45-33 37-48-03 37-51-26 0-2-30 0-3-23 KPNA = KP New Ayanamsa of 2003 * As per Astraura SW Note: KPSTLA or Khullar Ayanamsa is closed to Lahiri but not to KPNA or KPOA (KP Old Ayanamsa). 5. The Khullar Ayanamsa is now an option in Astracadabra and KCIL supporting True Astrology SW. 6. This ayanamsa may be added to the list of ayanamsas in the Web and SWs: Aldebaran, Babylonian (Huber), Babylonian (Kugler 1), Babylonian (Kugler 2), Babylonian (Kugler 3), Babylonian (Mercia), JN Bhasin, Chandra-Hiri, DeLuce, Deva-datta, Dhira, Djwhal Khoo (Khul), Drik (Thiru Ganithan), Fagan-Bradley (Fagan), Galactic Center, Hipparchos, Jagannatha, Krushna, KP (Krishnamurti), KP Straight Line, KP Straight Line (Adjusted), Lahiri (Chitrapaksha), True Chitrapaksha, Larry Ely, Raman , Rosicrucian, Savana, Sassanian, Takra I, Takra II, Usha-Shashi, Tarun Chopra, Yuketswar, Mod. Yuketswar, Vakya, Wilhelm Ardra, zeta Pisces,….. the ayanamsa used by Khullar to be KP Sright Line is correct because the ayanamsa used by Khullar in 47 out of 51 charts of his Birth Time Rectification and also Rajneesh's chart is only 1 to 2 second lower than the KP Straight Line (Adjusted) ayanamsa given by KPAstro 2.5. #9580 Mr. Khullar,myself (Mukesh Gupta) and Dr. Srikant Ojha have studied various books and articles written by highly knowledgeable astronomers and have come to the conclusion that Newcomb's Ayanamsa calculated linearly using the rate of precession 50.2388475 secs per year and applying Nutation gives best results. I may say that it would have been better if the developers of the software had called it as practical Newcomb Ayanamsa and dropped the suffix K.P. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutation

Solar Fire (circular chart above) can only select the “KP Original” ayanamsa from its list of zodiacs while Astracadabra can select the “KP New” ayanamsa from its list of zodiacs. Selecting either of these two KP ayanamsas results in a slightly different longitude positions of planets and cusps. Additionally, Astracadabra v1.7 can be set to use the Khullar ayanamsa, as in the screen shot attached below, but the user must select the “SVP -22:27:00” option from the zodiac list (see above) to use it. As a matter of interest, the Khullar ayanamsa uses the Newcomb fixed precession rate of 50.2388475 seconds per year. like Mr. K.S .Krishnamurti and the starting date of 15 April 291 A.D. when the Tropical and Sidereal zodiacs coincided, also like Mr. K.S. Krishnamurti. However, Mr. Khullar uses the “straight-line” method to determine the ayanamsa for a particular date and does not use precession

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corrected values in the formula, as used in both KP Original and KP New (2003). The Khullar ayanamsa results in a value that is closer to Lahiri than to the KP Original ayanamsa. Additionally, Mr. Khullar uses longitude values where “nutation” has been subtracted. This is now an option in Astracadabra v1.7 but not in many other astrology programs. http://www.jupitersweb.com/arbc_26.htm http://www.jupitersweb.com/arbc_65.htm (at end) http://www.khullarastrologyinstitute.com/eg9_5.php K.P. (New) Ayanamsa 22:53:43

for 11/12/1931

http://www.scribd.com/doc/6748971/Blair-Tony

esotech.net/.../astracadabra/astracadabrareleasenotes180.doc

the Khullar (or KP Straight Line) ayanamsa , in the case of the “Khu” button, it also turns on the “subtract Nutation” option Saha’s work relating to reform of Indian calendar was very significant. Meghnad Saha was the Chairman of the Calendar Reform Committee appointed by the Government of India in 1952 under the aegis of the Council of Scientific and Industrial Research. Other members of the Committee were: A. C. Banerjee, K. K. Daftari, J. S. Karandikar, Gorakh Prasad, R. V. Vaidya and N. C. Lahiri. It was Saha’s effort, which led to the formation of the Committee. The task before the Committee was to prepare an accurate calendar based on scientific study, which could be adopted uniformly throughout India. It was a mammoth task. The Committee had to undertake a detailed study of different calendars prevalent in different parts of the country. There were thirty different calendars. The task was further complicated by the fact that with calendar religion and local sentiments were involved. Nehru, in his preface to the Report of the Committee, which was published in 1955, wrote: “They (different calendars) represent past political divisions in the country…now that we have attained Independence, it is obviously desirable that there should be a certain uniformity in the calendar for our civic, social and other purposes and this should be done on a scientific approach to this problem.” Some of the important recommendations of the Committee were: 1.

The Saka era should be used in the unified national calendar. (The year 2002 corresponds to the Saka era of 1923-24.)

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The year should start from the day following the vernal equinox (occurs about March 21) day.

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A normal year would consist of 365 days while a leap year would have 366 days. After adding seventy-eight to the Saka era, if the sum is divisible by four, then it is a leap year. But when the same becomes a multiple of 100 it would be a leap year when it is divisible by 400, otherwise it would be a common year.

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Chaitra should be the first month of the year. From Chaitra to Bhadra each month would have thirty-one days and the rest to have thirty days.

http://jyotishvidya.com/ayanamsa.htm http://members.toast.net/overbeck/AyanStat.pdf The table includes the source of the ayanamsa, the reference (SE = Swiss Ephemeris, PC = Personal Communications), the Year of Coincidence and the values for the ayanamsas and the moon calculated for 6:46:04 PM on 27 October 2006 at 32±N 150, 97±W 460, TZ +5. SOURCE REF. AYANAMSA Y.O.C. MOON

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Fagan/Bradley SE -24± 500 1000 221 AD 16± Sag 000 Lahiri SE -23± 570 1000 285 AD 16± Sag 140 De Luce SE -27± 540 1900 1 BC 12± Sag 560 Raman SE -22± 300 2400 389 AD 18± Sag 200 Sassanian SE -20± 050 2000 564 AD 20± Sag 450 Ushashashi SE -20± 090 1100 559 AD 20± Sag 410 Hipparchos SE -20± 200 3400 545 AD 20± Sag 300 Djwhal Khool SE -28± 270 1900 41 BC 12± Sag 230 Yukteshwar SE -22± 340 2800 292 AD 18± Sag 160 JN Bhasin SE -22± 510 2800 364 AD 17± Sag 590 Babylonian, Huber SE -24± 430 4300 229 AD 16± Sag 070 Babylonian, Kugler 1 SE -25± 550 4300 143 AD 14± Sag 550 Babylonian, Kugler 2 SE -24± 310 4300 243 AD 16± Sag 190 Babylonian, Kugler 3 SE -23± 400 4300 305 AD 17± Sag 100 Babylonian, Mercier SE -24± 370 0300 237 AD 16± Sag 130 Galactic Center SE -26± 560 5500 69 AD 13± Sag 530 Krishnamurti SE -23± 510 2200 292 AD 16± Sag 590 Aldebaran at 15 Taurus SE -24± 510 1600 220 AD 15± Sag 590 Chandra-Hiri8 PC -24± 400 4300 233 AD 16± Sag 100 Tarun Chopra9 PC -11± 530 4300 1153 AD 28± Sag 570 Dhira10 PC -23± 090 4800 342 AD 17± Sag 410 Krushna11 PC -23± 020 5400 350 AD 17± Sag 470 Wilhelm Ardra12 PC -23± 300 1600 317 AD 17± Sag 200 Phone Book -NA- -87± 560 0800 -NA- 12± Lib 540 tropical -NA- -00± 000 0000 -NA- 10± Cap 500 As can be seen from the table, the values tested range from 0± (tropical) to 88± (Phone Book). Dismissing these outliers gives a range of from 11± Tarun Chopra to 28± Djwhal Khool and disagreements in the Year of Coincidence from 41 BC re: Djwhal Khool to 1153 AD re: Tarun Chopra. http://aspnj.org/articles/VedicAstrology.pdf There are a number of ‘panchangs’ in vogue owing to the different ayanamsas followed by different authors. This has resulted in lot of confusion as the ‘nakshatras’, ‘thithis’ etc differ on any particular day. The horoscopes cast by different followers are different, for one and the same person. http://www.saravali.de/articles/aya_basics.html http://www.scribd.com/doc/18006659/Panchangam-Calculations http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/Articles/Pred1.htm Manik then told me to read very carefully the chapters on Precession in the books written by dr. Bh. Satyanarayana Rao, which can be found at page 76 in his "Scientific Astrology" from 1936 and at page 60 in his book "The Nadi Rectification" from 1959. Obviously some of the Nadis are based on an Ayanamsavalue close to Lahiri and KP. Please see the following quotation from one of dr. Bh. Satyanarayana Rao’s books: The Poona Conference of 1925 adopted the Ayanamsa of 22* 40' 35" calculated by Prof. Apte by taking the amount of Makara (Capricorn) Sankranti according to Surya Siddhanta. In some issues of the Astrological Magazine, Bangalore, it was stated that the precessional difference in Kaka Bhusandar Nadi for 22nd March, 1926 was given as 22* degrees 44' minutes. Accordingly, the year 297 AD happens to be the one approximately for the coincidence of the two zodiacs; according to the Nadi it was 341 AD if the motion of 50.12 seconds only was used instead of the present observed 50.26 seconds a year."

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Sept 14, 2006 “New comb’s Ayanamsa that is calculated linearly at the rate of 50.2388475” per year is used. I have found better results with this. The reader may use New Comb’s Ayanamsa that is calculated taking into consideration the Luni-solor precession minus the planetary precession in longitude. This value will be very close to the value of K.P (Old) Ayanamsa.” The first sentence indicates the Ayanamsa I use. The second sentence indicates the philosophy used to calculate K.P (New) Ayanamsa after 2003. However, I agree that the first sentence is not correctly constructed. It should have been “Ayanamsa calculated linearly at the average rate of Newcomb’s general precession that is 50.2388475 secs per year is used.” Ayanamsa plays role: (i) in fixing the position of ascendant and thus other cuspal positions. (ii) Fixing the longitudes of planets. Especially the role of Ayanamsa takes very significant position because of its effect on Moon’s longitude and thus Dasa periods.

We may even try to use Mr. Chandar Kant Bhatt’s Ayanamsa, “Ayanamsa> adopted for the A.D year 1901 is 22.23. Then go on adding 50 secs every year and you will get the Ayanamsa for any required year.” Ayanamsas: A Facts Sheet Table 1: Zero Ayanamsa Year and Precession Rate of the Ayanamsas Ayanamsa Zero Annual Adjustment Rate Remark Ayana. Precession of Precession Year*1 Rate Rate per year KPOA 291 AD 50.2388475 *2 Not applied KP Reader I page 55-58 KPNA 291 *3 50.2388475sec 0.000111 sec Formula w/o base offset KPSTLA 291 AD 50.2388475 Not applied Formula with base offset LAHIRI 285 AD 50.2564 *4 0.000222 sec *5 Formula with base offset RAMAN 397 AD 50 1/3 sec Not applied Formula w/o base offset KPOA= KP Old Ayanamsa, KPNA= KP New Ayanamsa, KPSTLA= KP Straight Line Ayanamsa *1 Assumed year of coincidence of both Sayana and Nirayana zodiacs *2 Newcomb rate of sec per year *3 @ 23 March, 291 A.D. *4 so-called modern astronomical value for the year 1900 *5 Usually 0.000111 is used for 50.2388475 and 0.000222 is applied for 50.2564. NKPA = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600 where, B = base offset = 22+1350/3600 = 22:22:30 @ 15 Apr 1900) T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900 P = precession rate value per year = 50.2388475 sec A = annual precession rate adjustment= 0.000111 sec (as given by Prof. K. Balachandran in KP & Astrology Year Book 2003) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/1530?threaded=1 KPSTLA = T*P/3600 5

where T = Year of Birth minus 291 A.D. P = 50.2388475sec per year Note: T = fractional/decimal year taking days between given date and 15th April The KP Stright Line Ayanamsa such calculated up to the required date is called KP Stright Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa in the KPAstro 3.5. (as per MC Khare in the A&A Oct 1978 issue pp 6-8, and as explained by Rangarajan Krishnamoorthy, developer of KPAstro 3.5) LAHIRI = B + [T P + (T*T * A)]/ 3600 where B = 80890.1535 sec = 22:28:10.1535 @1 Apr 15, 1900 T = Year of Birth minus 1900 P = precession rate 50.2564 (Modern Astronomical value for the year 1900) A = precession rate adjustment 0.000222 sec per year (as in the UTOH referred by K. Hariharan in ‘Notable Persons & KP’, page 138) RAMAN = T*P/3600 where T = Year of birth minus 397 A.D. P = 50 1/3 sec per year (as per Appendix A of Dr. BV Raman’s Hindu Predictive Astrology, first published on February 1st 1938) http://www.astrologie.cz/zacek/ayanamsa/ayanamsa.htm

Table 2: Comparison of Ayanamsa Values (As of 1st January in D-M-S) Year KPOA KPNA KPSTLA LAHIRI RAMAN 1 2 3 4 5 6 1000 09-50* 09-50-25 09-53-25 09-55-11 08-25-51 1800 20-58* 20-58-33 21-03-30 21-03-45 19-36-58 1850 21-40 21-40-24 21-45-08 21-45-36 20-18-54 1900 22-22 22-22 16 22-27-00 22-27-55 21-00-51 1950 23-04 23-04-08 23-08-52 23-09-28 21-42-48 2000 23-46 23-46-01 23-50-44 23-51-11 22-24-44 2010 23-54 23-54-23 23-59-21 24-00-04 22-33-08 3000 37-45* 37-45-33 37-48-03 37-51-26 26-23-38 * As per formula of Mr. Neville Lang (developer of Astracadabra) and for other years from the page 58 Ayanamsa table of KP Reader I Table 3: Differences between Ayanamsa Values (in D-M-S) Year KPNA STLA Lahiri Lahiri Lahiri KPNA minus minus minus minus minus minus KPOA KPNA NKPA KPOA STLA Raman 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 1000 0-0-25 0-3-00 0-4-46 0-5-11 0-1-46 1-24-34 1800 0-0-33 0-4-57 0-5-12 0-5-45 0-0-15 1-21-35 1850 0-0-24 0-4-44 0-5-12 0-5-36 0-0-28 1-21-30 1900 0-0-16 0-4-44 0-5-39 0-5-55 0-0-55 1-21-25

KPSTLA minus Raman 8 1-27-34 1-26-32 1-26-14 1-26-09 6

1950 2000 2010 3000

0-0-08 0-0-01 0-0-23 0-0-33

0-4-48 0-4-43 0-4-58 0-2-30

0-5-20 0-5-10 0-5-41 0-5-53

0-5-28 0-5-11 0-6-04 0-6-26

0-0-36 0-0-27 0-1-43 0-3-23

1-21-20 1-21-17 1-21-15 1-21-55

1-26-04 1-26-00 1-26-13 1-24-25

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/30575 A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS.doc (in File section) A REVIEW OF KP AYANAMSAS REVISIT OF KPA.doc (in File section) Revisit of KP Ayanamsa

APPENDIX THE AYANAMSA SAID AND USED BY MR. KHULLAR 1.1. In the book of Mr. Khullar: YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification), page xi, it is said that “New Comb’s Ayanamsa” calculated linearly at the rate of 50.2388475” per year is used and this will be very close to the value of K.P. (Old) Ayanamsa. Note: New Comb’s Ayanamsa is not found no where even though so many many available ayanamsas such as Albebaran 15TAU, JN Bhasin, Chandrahari, Tarun Chopra, Deluce, Devadatta, Drik, Babyl ETPSE, Fagan-Bradley (Fagan ), Galactic, Hippachos, Babyl Huber, Krishnamurti/KP (Old, New, Straight Line), Krushma, Babyl Kugler 1-3, Djwhal/ Djwhal Khoo/Khool/Khul, Lahiri (Chitrapaksha), Larry Ely, zeta Pisces, Raman, Rosierucian, Sassanian, Usha-Shash, Takra I, Takra II, Yukteswar, Mod. Yukteshwar. 1.2. In the book of Mr. Khullar: TRUE ASTROLOGY, Basics & Traditional Concepts, page 9, 11, the annual precession rate of Mr. Simon Newcomb is mentioned by “New Comb --50.2388475” and Newcomb’s zero ayanamsa year by “New Comb --- 291 A.D”. Note: It is the same including mismentioning the name of Simon Newcomb as New Comb as mentioned in “Astrosecrets and KP Part II”, page 289, “Sri KSK adopted his ayanamsa from the New Comb who found the coincidence of both Sayana and fixed zodiac was the year 291 AD and the retrograde motion is at the rate of 50.2388475 second per year, according to Mr. New Comb”. It is someone’s mistake to mention 291 AD like this because this figure is Guruji’s KSK’s own opinion as mentioned in KP Reader I, page 56 “Krishnamurti 291 A.D.” 1.3. Mr. Khullar says in the MSN MSN Astrology Research Group, Prior to 2003, some Astrology softwares had the option K.P (New or Refined) Ayanamsa. The value of this Ayanamsa is generally calculated by the following formula: 7

AyanKP = (50.2388475/3600)*((YR-292)+(261/365)+(((MN-1)*30+DY)/365)) YR stands for year MN stands for Month DY stands for Day I use the Ayanamsa as calculated by this formula. In 2003, some Astrology softwares has provided the option K.P (New) Ayanamsa where the value of Ayanamsa is calculated by some other formula. This value of Ayanamsa differs from the value of Ayanamsa as calculated above. These software developers should have taken note of the fact that the term K.P (New) Ayanamsa was in existence. It is said, "Ignorance of Law is no excuse" 1.4. Mr. Mukesh Gupta says in the KP Group, “Mr. Khullar, myself and Dr. Srikant Ojha have studied various books and articles written by highly knowledgeable astronomers and have come to the conclusion that Newcomb's Ayanamsa calculated linearly using the rate of precession 50.2388475 secs per year and applying Nutation gives best results.” “It is the choice of Mr. Khullar to use average rate of precession linearly based on his research on the charts for his theory of Cuspal Interlinks as calculated by 50.2388475*(year-291) with calculation up to the day of birth. I may like to point out that Ayanamsa values given in the Table of Houses are very close to this formula.” 1.5. It seems that the Ayanamsa adopted in the Universal Table of Houses (UTOH) is misunderstood as the Old KP Ayanamsa and consequently said the New Comb’s Ayanamsa is very close to the Old KP Ayanamsa. In fact, the Ayanamsa in the UTOH is LAHIRI’s as mentioned by Shri Raichur, co-author of UTOH, in the KP Group and K Harharan in his “Notable Persons & KP”, p 138. 2.1. In the Rajneesh’s chart posted in the Mr. Khullar’s website as well as file section of the KP Group and 51 example charts in the book of Mr. Khullar: YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification), the ayanamsa value is mentioned as “K.P. (New) Ayanamsa”. 2.2. Mr. Mukesh Gupta says in the KP Group, “The name KP(new) or KP refined is used by softwere developers whose SW Mr. Khullar is using. For this Ayanamsa only I meant to say "I may say that it would have been better if the developers of the software had called it as practical Newcomb Ayanamsa and dropped the suffix K.P." 3.1. In comparing the so-mentioned K.P. (New) Ayanamsa value (KHULLAR) the Rajneesh’s chart with the KP straight line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa (KPSTLA) value calculated by KPAstro 2.5, it is found the same, only 2 sec less, and very close to Lahiri’s not to the Old or New KPA as shown below. DOB

OKPA NKPA KPSTLA KHULLAR

LAHIRI 8

Dec 11, 1931 21-48* 22-49-01 22-53-45 22-53-43

22-54-24

* will be 21-49 on Jan 1, 1932 3.2. It is found exactly the same in the example chart of page 59 of S P Khullar: YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification); Page DOB KHULLAR KPSTLA 59 Jan 10, 2005 23-54-55 23-54-55 3.3. It is found only 1 sec less than the KPSTLA value in 24 example charts of pages 47, 52, 86, 96, 98, 100, 105, 111, 137, 141, 143, 148, 151, 156, 160, 169, 176, 182, 192, 198*, 204, 207, 220, 227 of YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification). (* after adjusting printing error) for instance, Page DOB 47 Oct 05, 2004 105 Jul 11, 1979 227 Jun 09, 1951

KHULLAR KPSLA 23-54-42 23-54-43 23-33-34 23-33-34 23-10-03 23-10-04

3.4. It is also found that only 2 second less than the KP straight line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa value in 25 example charts of pages 44, 50, 54, 61, 65, 68, 71, 73, 76, 79, 94, 115, 118, 122, 125, 133*, 173, 180, 187, 194*, 202, 210, 214, 216, 225 of YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification). (* after adjusting printing error) for instance, Page DOB 44 Mar 21, 1979 187 Feb 26, 1945 225 Jan 29, 2005

KHULLAR 23-33-18 23-04-47 23-54-57

KPSTLA 23-33-20 23-04-47 23-54-57

3.5. It is not comparable due to the error in ayanamsa value in the example chart of page 41 of YOUR TRUE ASTROLOGY (Birth Time Rectification). Page DOB KHULLAR KPSLA 41 Jan 30, 2002 23-54-56 23-52-28 3.6. By cross checking the Moon position of the example charts in page 58, 60, 122, 166, 172, 176, 195A, 195B, p 252, 265, 271 and 280 in the book of Mr. Khullar: TRUE ASTROLOGY, Kalamsa & Cuspal Interlinks Theory by using of both Lahiri Ayanamsa and KP Straight Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa of KPAstro 2.5 as the Swiss emphemeris is not used in this book like in the calculation of Rajneesh’s chart, the (not mentioned) ayanamsa used in this book is found around 40 sec less than Lahiri, ie. Supposed to be the KP Straight Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa.

6. Finding 6.1. The ayanamsa said and used by Mr. Khullar is found to be the KP Straight Line (Adjusted) Ayanamsa with downward skewness of 1-2 sec with compared to KPAstro 2,5 values possibly due a very slight difference in the setting of SWs . 9

6.2. This IS NOT close to the Old KP Ayanamsa but HIGHER than the Old or New KP Ayanamsa around 5 min and IS CLOSE to LAHIRI Ayanamsa, around 40 sec less. 7.1. Comparison of Ayanamsa Values (As of 1st January) Year OKPA NKPA KPSTLA LAHIRI 1000 09-50* 09-50-25 09-53-25 09-51-29 1850 1900 1950 2000

21-40 22-22 23-04 23-46

21-40-24 22-22 16 23-04-08 23-46-01

21-45-08 22-27-00 23-08-52 23-50-44

21-45-37 22-27-56 23-09-28 23-51-11

3000 37-45* 37-45-33 37-48-03 37-51-26 OKPA= Old KPA, NKPA= New KPA, KPSTLA= KP Straight Line (Adjusted) * As per formula of Mr. Neville Lang (developer of Astracadabra) given in the MSN Astrology Research Group saying, QUOTE I would like to share with you the formula I have used in Astracadabra to get the correct ayanamsa values for the Krishanmurti system. All astrology software programs (at least the ones I know of) calculate planetary positions in the tropical zodiac (sayana) but then subtract a value (called an "offset" in programming terms or "ayanamsa" in astrology terms) for a particular date to adjust for the sidereal position (nirayana) of the planet. The general formula I use is as follows: Offset = B + (T * (P + (T * A)) / 3600) where: B = base offset T = decimal years in the form Year - 1900 P = precession rate value per year A = annual precession rate adjustment As has been the usual practise in astronomy, I am use values set for 1 Jan 1900 at 00:00 UT. For the original Krishnamurti and the Krishnamurti New ayanamsa, the precession rate value per year is Newcomb's 50.2388475 but I have also included an annual precession rate adjustment (A) of 0.000111 for proper "fit" of the values used in tables. The formula for the base offset are as follows: - Original Krishnamurti = -22 + 1320 / 3600 (-22:22:00 @ 1 Jan 1900) - Krishnamurti New = -22 + 1335.7 / 3600 (-22:22:15.7 @ 1 Jan 1900) Here are the comparative results of the now three KP ayanamsas as at 1 Jan 2006:

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KP Original............: -23:50:47 KP New................: -23:51:02 (@2003) KP Linear..............: -23:55:45 (ayanamsa according to Mr. S.P. Khullar) Lahiri.....................: -23:56:27 As we can see from this example, Mr. Khullar's linear ayanamsa is closer to Lahiri than to either of the other KP ayanamsas. Since Mr. Khullar works at the Sub Sub lord level for cuspal interlinks, I leave it to other researchers to investigate these values further.

UNQUOTE 7.2. It can be seen clearly how the KP Stright line goes out of line for years far away from 1900. http://www.kpastrology.in/testimonials.php

Ayanamsa

1900

1950

2000

2050

Historical Date

Lahiri

22:28:02

23:09:34

23:51:17

24:33:41

290 AD

Raman

21:00:28

21:42:00

22:23:43

23:06:07

395 AD

Fagan-Bradley

23:20:56

24:02:28

24:44:11

25:26:35

221 AD

zeta Pisces

18:45:00

19:26:32

20:08:15

20:50:39

560 AD

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/Constantine%20and%20the%20Zero%20Ayanamsa %20estimates.htm SOURCE

REF. AYANAMSA Y.O.C.

MOON

Fagan/Bradley

SE

-24 d 50 m 10 s 221 AD 16d Sag 0 m

Lahiri

SE

-23 d 57 m 10 s 285 AD 16d Sag 14 m

De Luce

SE

-27 d 54 m 19 s 1 BC

Raman

SE

-22 d 30 m 24 s 389 AD 18d Sag 20 m

Sassanian

SE

-20 d 05 m 20 s 564 AD 20d Sag 45 m

Ushashashi

SE

-20 d 09 m 11 s 559 AD 20d Sag 41 m

Hipparchos

SE

-20 d 20 m 34 s 545 AD 20d Sag 30 m

Djwhal Khool

SE

-28 d 27 m 19 s 41 BC

Yukteshwar

SE

-22 d 34 m 28 s 292 AD 18d Sag 16 m

JN Bhasin

SE

-22 d 51 m 28 s 364 AD 17d Sag 59 m

Babylonian, Huber

SE

-24 d 43 m 43 s 229 AD 16d Sag 07 m

Babylonian, Kugler 1

SE

-25 d 55 m 43 s 143 AD 14d Sag 55 m

Babylonian, Kugler 2

SE

-24 d 31 m 43 s 243 AD 16d Sag 19 m

12d Sag 56 m

12d Sag 23 m

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Babylonian, Kugler 3

SE

-23 d 40 m 43 s 305 AD 17d Sag 10 m

Babylonian, Mercier

SE

-24 d 37 m 03 s 237 AD 16d Sag 13 m

Galactic Center

SE

-26 d 56 m 55 s 69 AD

Krishnamurti

SE

-23 d 51 m 22 s 292 AD 16d Sag 59 m

Aldebaran at 15 Taurus SE

-24 d 51 m 16 s 220 AD 15d Sag 59 m

Chandra-Hiri8

PC

-24 d 40 m 43 s 233 AD 16d Sag 10 m

Tarun Chopra9

PC

-11 d 53 m 43 s 1153 AD 28d Sag 57 m

Dhira10

PC

-23 d 09 m 48 s 342 AD 17d Sag 41 m

Krushna11

PC

-23 d 02 m 54 s 350 AD 17d Sag 47 m

Wilhelm Ardra12

PC

-23 d 30 m 16 s 317 AD 17d Sag 20 m

13d Sag 53 m

Msg#159 Dear Tinwin There is not any significant difference between the OLD and NEW KPAYANs. The New KPA gives a formula for calculating the ayanamsa correct to seconds, and for sticlkers, for any date in the year. The old KPA was presumed to be constant for the full calender year. Good luck The New KPA formula is just adjusting the base KP value for 1900 and replacing modern astronomy rate of precession 50.2564 by Newcomb rate 50.2388475 in the following Lahiri ayanamsa equation (for 1-41900) applied in the Universal Tables of Houses. 80890.1535s + 50.2564 n + 0.000111 n*n n= year for calculation minus 1900 80890.1535s = 22d28m10.1535s 3. The difference between Lahiri and KP varies depending how far the year is from 1900 due to the difference in precession rates. Dear Members of this Group, It is a pity that we have come to Square -1, with the problem of Ayanamsa to be adopted. Now that we have decided to check the correctness of the Ayanamsa value given by our Great Guruji, as a direct disciple of our GREAT GURUJI JYOTISH MARTHAND, JYOTISH MANNAN, PROF: LATE SHRI K.S.KRISHNAMURTHIJI, first let me request all the members in this Group whether they fully agree with OUR GREAT GURJI regarding the year of coincidence of the two Zodiacs i.e., Sayana and Nirayana, which he has taken as 291 A.D. In the A.D. era we have 6 years for this coincidence given by various Astrologers/Astronomers. They are listed below: 1. P.COUNCEL 2. C.FAGAN 3. LAHIRI 4. K.S.KRISHNAMURTHI 5. P.S.RAY 6. SEPHARIAL

0 A.D. 213 “ 285 “ 291 “ 319 “ 498 “

In view of the above differences in the year of coincidence, my suggestion is to take birth particulars of a Native and prepare a Natal Chart, by adopting all the 6 years mentioned above and verify proven events

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in the life of the Native, like Marriage, Birth of Children, Accidents, Characteristics of the person, his educational qualification and job profile etc., and see which chart fully proves all these events. I have studied Prof: K.Balachandran’s Article published in the Annual issue of KP & Astrology – 2003 on the subject of Ayanamsa which is a re-iteration of what Mr.M.G.G. Nair, with whom I had occasion to discuss various matters on K.P. when he was at Madras (now Chennai), had to say on this subject. Even after this the question arises whether the Ayanamsa so arrived at is MEAN or TRUE. The reason for my raising this question of Mean and True Ayanamsa is because of what Sri Lahiri has stated in his condensed Ephemeris – 1900-1941 – Part-II, 5th Edition, 1971 – page 100. I quote … “ THE AYANAMSA THUS OBTAINED IS THE MEAN AYANAMSA WHICH MAY BE RENDERED TRUE BY APPLYING THE CORRECTION DEPENDING ON THE NIRAYANA LONGITUDE OF RAHU” …quotation ends. I am giving below a table of comparison of various Ayanamsa Values for 1.1.1900 and value of corrections to be taken into account by taking the Nirayana Longitude of Rahu, for the members to examine, continue their research and come to a correct conclusion once and for all. It may be seen that the Ayanamsa/True arrived at by Sri Lahiri i.e.,22-27-59 and that arrived at by the authors of UNIVERTAL TABLE OF HOUSES i.e., 22-27-56 more or less is the same but for a difference of 3” which may not affect any calculation even upto Sub Sub Sub level. But the Ayanamsa Value without correction for Rahu as arrived at by Sri Manu i.e.,22-21-50 and Lahiri True Ayanamsa i.e., 22-27-59 gives a difference of 6’-09” – which will definitely affect even at the Cuspal Sub Lords position. Even if we add the correction of 16” to Manus Ayanamsa value i.e., 22-21-50 + 00-00-16 = 22-22-06, which shows a difference of 5-53 for Sri Lahiri and 5-50 for UTOH, the Cuspal Sub Lords position will change for many Cusps which on the border line etc., I hope I have enough material for this discussion and this will ensure a more thorough probe into this matter and a satisfactory and acceptable answer will be available. Kpk3010

New Delhi-110028, 24-12-2005. Dear Members, I have gone through the messages of M/s Sri Rangarajanji, Sri Raichurji and Sri Kanakji. Having learnt this Great KP System from our GREAT GURUJI himself and heard him predict on the spot when questions are asked by his Students, a doubt was lingering always in my mind. GURUJI prepared Charts with the help of Raphael's Ephemeris which gives only Degrees for Cusps except for the Ascendant and Guruji utilized such charts by using his KP Ayanamsa which had Degree and Minutes only. What or which is the factor that enabled him to give accurate predictions exact to the time when the event will take place etc., With all the present days sophisticated software programs and other gadgets, why we are not able to achieve what our GREAT GURUJI achieved. I for one feel that we are all missing something which our GREAT GURUJI has emphasized. Otherwise why we are not able to give accurate predictions, Natal or Horary, though we are now having three KP Ayanamsas, KP original, KP Straight Line and KP New Ayanamsa (as given by Sri M.G.G.Nair which was repeated by Sri K.Balachandran in 2003). Mr.Raichurji has mentioned a Great Guru who is practicising traditional Astrology was able to give correct predictions by using KP Ayanamsa. Which is the Ayanamsa he is using out of the three mentioned above. By this statement one thing is proved that KP Ayanamsa is superior to all other Ayanamsas and we can get results only by using the correct Ayanamsa out of the three mentioned. The one thing that I can emphasize is that we should try and find out which Ayanamsa can give correct results always. I have mentioned about the time factor only to advance the research in a more realistic manner since all events takes place only at a particular time. Comments are welcome from members. Kpk3010 Regarding KP aynamsa used by a Traditional astrologer: He was using the OLD KPA as originally given in KP reader NO1. I sent him the NEW KP formula, and he is now using it. Good Luck.

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Regarding the Straight line formula, I can only say, that if one compares it with what was originally published (OLD KPA), one will realise that it is not correct. The assumption that the rate of change of ayansmsa is constant, is not valid. A correction is made,once in 100 yrs. This correction factor is given by Laheri, by Surys Siddhanta, and by latest New KPA formula. If it was a simple st-line formual Our GURUJI, would have said so, in his life time. True, we are not able to predict the time, as correctly as GURUJI could. He was Great!!! Today, we have another Saint, Guruju Karve, who can and does give out your correct birth-time, by just looking at you. He spends 4 to 5 hrs, in Meditation, and has been given this power as a gift by GOD. I request shree Ganapathi, to explain, with an example, as to how the Dasa Lord is fixed, How in this Dasa the Bhukti Lord is fixed, and further how in this Bhukti, the Antatra is fixed. Even if one can correctly fix these three, then one can arrive at a TIME Span, which in most cases would be satisfactory. The exact Date can be fixed by Sooksma/ SUN and MOON transits. good luck

Aldebaran, Babylonian (Huber), Babylonian (Kugler), Babylonian (Mercia), JN Bhasin, Chandra-Hiri, DeLuce, Deva-datta, Dhira, Djwhal Khoo, Drik (Thiru Ganithan), Fagan-Bradley (Fagan), Galactic Center, Hipparchos, Krushna, KP (Krishnamurti), Lahiri (Chitrapaksha), Larry Ely, Raman , Savana, Sassanian, Takra, Usha-Shashi, Tarun Chopra, Yuketswar, Vakya, Wilhelm Ardra, zeta Pisces, Lahiri Ayanamsa , Fagan Bradley Ayanamsa , Raman Ayanamsa ,Yuketswar Ayanamsa , Krishnamurthi Ayanamsa, Tarun Chopra Ayanamsa. Lahiri ayanamsa, Raman ayanamsa, Deva-datta ayanamsa, Krishnamoorthy ayanamsa, Usha-Shashi ayanamsa, Fagan ayanamsa and tropical system (no ayanamsa) can be used. User can define his/her own custom ayanamsa also. http://www.angelfire.com/sd/binah/sidereal.html http://www.cycle-of-time.net/firstpointofaries.htm http://www.astrology-x-files.com/philosophy/geocoincidence.html http://jyotisha.00it.com/Difference.htm

http://www2.bitstream.net/~bunlion/bpi/precess4.html KP, Raman, Lahiri, Sayana, Drik ayanamsa systems zeta Pisces 560 AD http://www.occultwizard.com/calculate.htm http://www.saravali.de/tva_aya_basics.html De Luce

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Djwhal Khool JN Bhasin Precision of the equinoxes (Ayanamsa) corresponds to the base year 291 A.D and Newcomb's rate of precision is used. http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml http://www.expreso.co.cr/centaurs/essays/sidereal.html the Fagan/Bradley Ayanamsa sidereal positions use September 11, A.D. 221 as fiducially http://www.wandahl.com/Pages/Articles/Pred1.htm http://jyotishvidya.com/ayanamsa.htm http://www.lunarplanner.com/siderealastrology.html Simon Newcomb Käla offers nine ayanamsas: Lahiri, Raman, Sri Yukteswar, Bhasin, Fagan/Bradley, KrishnaMurti, Sassanian, UshaShashi, and Sagittarius; you can define your own or even use the tropical zodiac.

AYANAMSA Dr. Myles Standish, an expert at JPL, had this to say about precession and sidereal time measurement: "[...] Precession defined, formulated, and calculated using the basic laws of physics, found to be consistent with observations. Precession has now been measured accurate to the 99.999% level. [...] ... the numerical value [for a sidereal year of 365.25636042094 mean solar days] comes from Newcomb's "Theory of the Sun", used for his (1898) "Tables of the Motion of the Earth on its Axis and Around the Sun". [...] The difference in the two rates is 5024"93/cty; obviously, precession, even though the value of 5025.64 has long been known as "Newcomb's precession". [...] The modern value is 5026"47/tropical century (5029"0966 per Julian century), accurate to 1 or 2 units in the last figure given. Newcomb's Theory is cast in the precessing, of-date frame. [...] ... it was the frame most naturally observed (mainly, transits). [...] In order to find inertial space, one must remove the precession, a quantity that could not be determined as accurately or as easily back then - it involved detailed analysis of star motions and the removal of galactic rotation, star-streaming, etc. Nowadays, we have accurate VLBI measurements with respect to the (inertial) quasars, so the determination of the earth's orientation is anchored to inertial space (the ICRF - International Celestial Reference Frame), and precession is measured directly. Over a couple of decades, now, precession is known to a couple of hundredths of an arcsecond per century. [...] There is no real relevance of the sidereal YEAR to modern astronomy. [...] The quoted value, as shown above, comes from Newcomb's Theory, is referred to inertial space; it is evident that he applied precession to the tropical year in order to derive it. Therefore, it refers to motion in inertial space. [...] When a more modern value for precession was adopted in 1976, this ratio changed slightly. However, the basic method is unaltered. In practice, since the rotation of the earth is not completely predictable, the rotation of the earth gets measured on a daily basis, and the results of the measurements get applied in order to get the most accurate earth orientation possible." The data on the mean transit period of Sirius (an inertial frame of reference) shows that over larger time

http://www.binaryresearchinstitute.org/calculations/precession.shtml LAHIRI AYANAMSHA 1 January 1920 22°45´ 1 January 1930 22°53´ 1 January 1940 23°01´ 1 January 1950 23°10´ 1 January 1960 23°18´ 1 January 1970 23°26´ 1 January 1980 23°35´

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1 January 1990 23°43´ 1 January 2000 23°51´

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