AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (Including Control Plan)

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Howard Atkins

28th July 2006 01:08 AM

AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Here are the links to the various forms: Attached Files 4th Edition Part Submission Warrant.xls 4th Edition Dimensional Test Results.xls 4th Edition Material Test Results.xls 4th Edition Performance Test Results.xls 4th Edition Appearance Approval Report.xls 4th Edition Product Process Change Notification.xls 4th edition Truck Industry PSW edit2.xls Additional PPAP Dimensional Test Results MB.xls modified to suit how we read stuff over here in NZ Added FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xsl spreadsheets Added Control Plan Thanks every one for contributing. :applause:

bkreps73

6th October 2006 09:54 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms How do I fill out the Dimensional test results so that the formulas work? Thanks a bunch!

cesar_PNA

20th September 2007 08:55 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Muchas gracias! Has been helpfull have the PPAP 4th edition files ready to download. Thanks.:applause:

Irene Oman Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms

11th June 2008 10:38 AM

Hello Howard, New person here, I tried to open the PSW and receive an error message "file error - data lost". Any idea what the problem is? Thanks in advance Irene

Stijloor

11th June 2008 10:45 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Irene Oman (Post 253493) Hello Howard, New person here, I tried to open the PSW and receive an error message "file error - data lost". Any idea what the problem is? Thanks in advance Irene

Irene, I had no problem opening the links and forms. Check with your IT person (if you have one). If that does not work, send me a PM with your email address and I can send you the forms you need. Stijloor.

Jim Wynne

11th June 2008 10:46 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Irene Oman (Post 253493) Hello Howard, New person here, I tried to open the PSW and receive an error message "file error - data lost". Any idea what the problem is? Thanks in advance Irene

Welcome to the Cove. Go to this post and right-click on the PSW attachment. Choose "Save Target..." and save the file to your desktop. Try to open it from there.

Jose_Peña Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms thank you very much Howard, valuable templates!

21st July 2008 02:52 PM

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18th September 2008 10:58 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Thank you Howard for sharing this! May God bless you for doing so... lol

MurrayB45

4th November 2008 07:03 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms I too have an issue with getting the Dimensional Report to work when entering nominal and upper / lower limits. The parts are always rejected when the dimensions are in tolerance.

MurrayB45

4th November 2008 10:27 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms I too have the same issue with formulas in the Dimensional Report. All the other information has been fantastic.

Howard Atkins

5th November 2008 01:07 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms They seem to be all right to me. I would like to remind you that they were given from the goodness of Jeff Henry's heart. Please post an improved version if you have one

zancky

5th November 2008 06:17 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by MurrayB45 (Post 281288) I too have the same issue with formulas in the Dimensional Report. All the other information has been fantastic.

try c column the nominal value E the lower tolerance with sign F the upper tolerance

MurrayB45

5th November 2008 02:14 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms 1 Attachment(s)

Thanks all for your responses, I had a bit of a play last night and worked out the the lower tol is first and then the upper tol (as the response said this morning). I have modified it to suit how we read stuff over here in NZ but as mentioned before the templates are great, so many thanks to all inmvolved. I have attached my modified version created in Excel 2007 but saved as 2003 so it should work.

MacGray

6th November 2008 06:00 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms 1 Attachment(s)

:thanks:

Thanks for those documents. Very nice. Attached you find the Phased PPAP PSW as used by Ford. Basically the same as an other PSW, except for the 4 buttons on top. Thought I'd share it with yous :D

MurrayB45

6th November 2008 02:25 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms So many variants on the documents but it gives so much more choice to tailor it to suit the company needs. Thanks for your Phased PPAP PSW. We're gripped, we're sorted, let's go off road.

MurrayB45

9th December 2008 06:04 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Response to chuachomvn, I cannot find the thread in the forum but the question was:

Sir,

what are APQP and PPQP? What do they used for and why do we need it. I am just a QE beginer! APQP is Advanced Product Quality Planning and is a toll used by companies to prodcue a quality plan to assist and support the development of a product to ensure customer satisfaction. PPAP (Production Part Approval Process) is a part of APQP and is used to ensure that the supplier has provision in place to consistently meet the requirements during a production run. There is a ton of info contained in this forum and also on the web, you can also purchase the required APQP and PPAP information form AIAG. Thanks Murray

Howard Atkins

10th January 2009 03:00 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms See first post for added files. Thanks

venkatesan

10th January 2009 03:53 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Howard Atkins (Post 158676) Here are the links to the various forms: Attached Files 4th Edition Part Submission Warrant.xls 4th Edition Dimensional Test Results.xls 4th Edition Material Test Results.xls 4th Edition Performance Test Results.xls 4th Edition Appearance Approval Report.xls 4th Edition Product Process Change Notification.xls 4th edition Truck Industry PSW edit2.xls Additional PPAP Dimensional Test Results MB.xls modified to suit how we read stuff over here in NZ Added FMEA 4th Edition Blank P and D FMEA sheets in Excel .xsl spreadsheets Thanks every one for contributing. :applause:

THANK YOU HOWARD. I will be greatfull to you.:applause::thanx:

Qual-Latte

2nd April 2009 06:51 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Howard, Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!) Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again!

Stijloor

2nd April 2009 07:02 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Qual-Latte (Post 306463) Howard, Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!) Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we

can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again!

You must first notify the customer of the proposed/planned change. Re-submission may be required unless waived by the customer. Sorry. PPAP requirements are tough. Stijloor.

Jim Wynne

2nd April 2009 07:54 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Qual-Latte (Post 306463) Howard, Thank you very much. (I wrote my first post today!) Do you know if there's a standard customer waiver form? My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible. So, we plan to prepare the "Product / Process Change Notification" as published in the PPAP 4th Edition Manual which provides a space for the "Expected PPAP Completion/Submission Date" but I don't see anywhere on the form where we can request an authorized customer signature instead, to waive the PPAP submission. Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to interface directly with the customer? This is our first time requesting a waiver. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks again!

There is no standard waiver form unless your customer has one. It would be best to speak with a customer representative. Which department handles the issue is a matter of personal preference. If you have persuasive sales people, that might be the way to go, but make sure they understand the technicalities before setting them loose.

howste

2nd April 2009 08:44 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Qual-Latte (Post 306463) My engineering group wants to revise the drawing and avoid PPAP if possible.

What kind of drawing revision are they wanting to make? If it affects the part form, fit, or function, then you should do a PPAP anyway even if you don't submit the data to the customer. Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Qual-Latte (Post 306463) Also, would it be appropriate for the sales rep to handle this or does engineering need to

interface directly with the customer?

Who normally works with the customer? There is no standard for who interfaces with the customer for PPAPs. Your organization can decide. Ideally you don't want too many people contacting them though...

Qual-Latte

3rd April 2009 02:11 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Jim and Howste, Thank you both very much for your quick replies! :thanx: From what I understand, the change will not affect form, fit or function, but I will recommend that we PPAP anyway, and see if our sales rep can request the waiver. Thanks again. :bigwave:

howste

3rd April 2009 02:37 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms If the change doesn't affect form, fit, or function, then probably all you'd need to submit is a warrant (PSW) with an explanation of the reason for the change and why it doesn't justify any changes to PPAP information already submitted. The customer's approval of the warrant would be the waiver of the other PPAP requirements.

ralphsulser

3rd April 2009 03:39 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms If your customer is Ford, you need to fill out a SREA(Supplier request for Engineering Assistance) form and contact your Ford STA for further direction. If not Ford, find out your customer requirements and contact the appropriate contact. Sales may be able to handle it. But whichever way you go make sure you get a customer signature and date or it could come back to haunt you later. Many years ago I was out in the plant with a GM engineer and he was reviewing how our parts fit the car. He wanted to make a minor change on our part and told me what to do, and we made the change. Later a GM QC guy came in and said we didn't comply with the print because of the change. I told him the GM engineer told us to make the change, and he asked to see the marked and signed print showing the change. Well, duh, we didn't have anything in writing from GM authorizing any changes

QM Mary

4th June 2009 02:16 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Thanks so much for posting the forms, only wished I had looked here before making my own forms. :bonk: Do the PPAP forms have to look exactly the forms in the manuals?:thanx:

MurrayB45 Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

4th June 2009 04:32 PM

In Reply to Parent Post by QM Mary (Post 317344) Thanks so much for posting the forms, only wished I had looked here before making my own forms. :bonk: Do the PPAP forms have to look exactly the forms in the manuals?:thanx:

I work in Medical (but am an ex Automotive person from England supplying Ford, Rover, Toyota, Nissan etc ) and have modified the form to suit our needs. Medical has no PPAP process as such in ISO13485 but some of the large American medical companies are using the term now, so I guess it is better to be proactive and implement first before they tell you what you must do. I am extraordinarily patient provided I get my own way in the end. - Margaret Thatcher

bobdoering

4th June 2009 05:02 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by MurrayB45 (Post 317375) I work in Medical (but am an ex Automotive person from England supplying Ford, Rover, Toyota, Nissan etc ) and have modified the form to suit our needs. Medical has no PPAP process as such in ISO13485 but some of the large American medical companies are using the term now, so I guess it is better to be proactive and implement first before they tell you what you must do.

Good idea. :agree1: Medical is pretty far behind in quality systems, but PPAP is one of the best things you can do to verify new part process and collect the appropriate data.

sivabalan

16th August 2009 03:03 AM

Re: Control Plan vs. Inspection Plan - What exactly is the difference dear sir we need version-4 control plan excel format.

harry

16th August 2009 04:14 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Welcome to the Cove. I am guessing you are looking for the AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms, so I moved your post here. The forms are in post #1 (or just click here).

elbrody

22nd September 2009 11:09 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) thanks for the forms!!!!!!!:)

Howard Atkins Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms

22nd September 2009 10:36 PM

Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by QM Mary (Post 317344) Thanks so much for posting the forms, only wished I had looked here before making my own forms. :bonk: Do the PPAP forms have to look exactly the forms in the manuals?:thanx:

I am sorry but your question got overlooked some how. There is no actual requirement but if they are radically different they might cause eyebrows to raise. I suggest for your own sake stick to the format and save the questions:bonk:

Steav

19th October 2009 03:18 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Hello , I don't know why are in PSW and also in other PPAP forms the "company marks" /GM,DCh,F/ above.Is it only PPAP for this companies? Best regards

Stijloor

19th October 2009 05:07 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Steav (Post 341858) Hello , I don't know why are in PSW and also in other PPAP forms the "company marks" /GM,DCh,F/ above.Is it only PPAP for this companies? Best regards

No, these forms can be used by all automotive supplier companies and customers. The "big" three: Ford, Chrysler and GM) originally designed these forms. Stijloor.

Howard Atkins

19th October 2009 02:43 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by Steav (Post 341858) Hello , I don't know why are in PSW and also in other PPAP forms the "company marks" /GM,DCh,F/ above.Is it only PPAP for this companies? Best regards

These are the "originals" a lot of companies put there own logo instead.

erozas2003

26th October 2009 11:47 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Hi, do you have any form to comply with the PPAP requirement: Appearance Approval Report? Please let me know, 'cause one customer is asking for such form and is something new for us. Thanks a lot for any help.

howste

26th October 2009 11:57 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) There's one posted by jeffhenry here: 4th Edition Appearance Approval Report.xls

galaxy

4th November 2009 02:00 AM

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Howard Atkins

4th November 2009 05:58 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) The problem in buying from a AIAG is the cost of postage. I do not know if there is a resseller in India but try asking them

charliekh

23rd June 2010 03:39 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Thanks for your share!

Mr.Happy

8th May 2011 07:39 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Quote:

In Reply to Parent Post by MurrayB45 (Post 281448) Thanks all for your responses, I had a bit of a play last night and worked out the the lower tol is first and then the upper tol (as the response said this morning). I have modified it to suit how we read stuff over here in NZ but as mentioned before the templates are great, so many thanks to all inmvolved. I have attached my modified version created in Excel 2007 but saved as 2003 so it should work.

Hi Murray, Do you have a completed form as an example so that I can understand the formulas ! It also would be great if you have a (linked)APQP or PPAP worksheet. cheers

LUV-d-4UM

13th June 2011 02:30 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Thank you for sharing Howard.

MurrayB45

13th June 2011 06:37 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) 1 Attachment(s)

Message for Mr Happy. I have attacehd a completed GRR so you can see how it works, any queries just shout. Life and death is in the power of the tongue.

MicaLerm

7th December 2011 09:57 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Thank you for this is verry helpful regards Mica

atbizdept

29th April 2012 05:55 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) thank you very much. :applause:

Lbcanfly

7th July 2012 04:49 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Thanks for the sharing, much appreicated

atbizdept

9th July 2012 01:07 AM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) pleasure!!!

Carmine

20th July 2012 04:26 PM

Re: Here are the Various AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms Has the number of charterists the same that I find in New document?

LBlonde65 APQP on service parts

12th October 2012 11:54 AM

I have to complete APQP on a daily basis and I need to know if it is necessary to do APQP on new service parts...They are not required to be PPAPed...They may only run as needed... I also need to know about Factory assist parts. We get factory assist but they may only run 3 times.... :) Can anyone help me with this?

Catallina

10th April 2013 02:21 PM

Re: AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Hello, could someone provide a flow diagram for PPAP steps please? Thank you.

bruceliu222

25th April 2013 04:19 PM

Re: AIAG PPAP Manual 4th Edition Forms (including Control Plan) Very useful, thanks.

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