7 Secrets You May Not Know About The 12th

 

7 Secrets You May not Know about the 12th House 

The 12th house is one of the more mysterious territories of the birth chart, and possibly the least understood. As you probe its secrets, you may find hidden gold. Or, as we‘ll see with the chart of former senator John Edwards, you may find dirty laundry – or or both. For people on a path of self-discovery, self-discovery, pondering your 12th produces important insights into your shadow side and into the ways you shoot yourself in the foot. th

As an astrologer, counselor, or healer, the client‘s 12  may shed a great deal of light on sources of compulsive  behaviors and self-sabotage that your work together can address. Probing it sensitively when a client is ready for change can result in a deep healing.

However, you should never, ever force such revelations on clients who resist them, for you can force their secrets even deeper into hiding and increase their resistance to going for help in the future. Trust that their resistance is the psyche‘s wise way of protecting itself until all the ingredients are present for a healing.   th

The 12  ho  house use reveals a Rising Sign’s hidden agendas.  My early mentor, Rod Chase used a technique of studying the 12 signs in which he placed each one in turn on the 1 st house and the following signs in turn around the 2nd, 3rd, and so on. The 12th house sign would be the one immediately before the sign on the first.

For instance, with Sagittarius Rising, Scorpio would be on the 12th. Thus you might discern that Sagittarius‘  preaching about morality, ethics, or religion may conceal a desire to control others or the self. Leo Rising puts Cancer on the 12th, and behind the show of seeming confidence and even conceit lies a great deal of shyness and insecurity —that‘s why they need so much applause. You can learn a great deal about any Rising sign by using his technique. th

The 12  house is the house of secrets. In your birth chart, this house shows what you keep hidden from the world —the things you‘d rather people didn‘t know about you. If there‘s nothing placed in the 12th, you probably don‘t have any major secrets, ju st some of the less wonderful traits of the sign on the cusp that you try to keep from showing others. However, any planets in that house — including including their sign and aspects — can can show major sources of difficulty. There can be a good deal of shame attached to matters depicted by that house, and that‘s why you‘d rather not reveal them.   th

There lie the secrets you hide from yourself.   Along with the Moon and the planet Neptune, the 12  shows things about yourself that are unconscious and thus not readily dealt with. In these unconscious urges, emotions, and memories lie the seeds of neurosis. n eurosis. Your Secrets can be the source of self-undoing. When it comes to shooting yourself in foot, the 12 th house should be #1 on your suspect list. list. Whenever you get to the point of asking yourself, ―WHY, WHY, WHY do I keep doing that to myself,‖ that‘s the time when you need someone wise and knowledgeable about astrology— and and human nature — to to take an unbiased look at your chart. We can seldom be that objecti objective ve about our own charts and th especially about the 12  house. th

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The closer a 12  house planet is to the Ascendant, the less of a secret it really is!   A 12  house planet that is conjunct the Ascendant within 10° is much more apparent to people around you and the world at large than you  believe. You‘re probably not fooling anyone but yourself, even if they don‘t call you on it. An example would be the flamboyantly gay but closeted person who believes that if they don‘t talk about it no one will know.  th

During a transit to 12  house planets, the secret will come out.   When politicians‘ dirty secrets are revealed,

their careers usually go down in flames. A recent example was Senator John Edwards, a p promising romising Democratic candidate in the 2008 presidential campaign — I was all prepared to vote for him in the primary. The AstroDatabank Record for  Edwards, John John  notes that he was born June 10, 1953, in Seneca, SC. His mother gave his time of birth to a campaign staffer as 7:02 AM EST, but his wife later later gave it as 7:23 AM. In either case, the

 

resulting chart shows a 12 th house trio of planets — the the Sun and Mars conjunct in late Gemini and Mercury in Cancer.

He withdrew from the presidential race on January 30, 2008. That summer, when the National Enquirer began  publishing rumors of an illegitimate child, he finally revealed revealed (on 8/8/08) an affair he had 2 years earlier. His 12th  house Gemini Sun and Mars were prominently featured in transits in that two-year interval — as as Pluto went through late Sagittarius — and and continue to be prominent in the aftermath, as the transiting Uranus-Saturn opposition from Pisces and Virgo square them. As of March, 2010, details of his affairs continue to surface and to make tabloid television news. Probing your secrets is a good thing. In the 12-step programs, they say, ―you‘re only as sick as your secrets.‖  One of the major sources of healing and reclamation for a person in recov recovery ery from an addiction is the process of writing it all out in an inventory and telling that inventory to a trusted person like a sponsor. Secrets can fuel addiction like nothing else! In the case of John Edwards‘ 12th house Sun -Mars conjunction, the secrecy of the affair(s?) apparently added extra thrills to the sexual compulsion. However, dealing with hidden issues can be a huge release and relief for anyone an yone with a strong12th house.

One caution: it isn‘t wise to confide your secrets to just anyone an yone —   pick the person and the timing very carefully. Often a professional counselor or spiritual advisor who is sworn to confidentiality is the best place p lace to start sorting things out. And, so you know, there‘s no such thing as a secret in emails or on the internet. th

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Full Houses vs. Empty Houses in your Chart — What What to Expect ©2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW The following is an excerpt from my hard copy book, How to Read your Astrology Chart, available from the  publisher,   Red  publisher, Red Wheel/Weiser . 

When you scan a chart, ch art, some houses are empty while othe others rs are relatively full. Here, I pay attention only to the  basic ten planets, not to a dozen asteroids or the Arabian parts, because those basic planets represent major focuses and expenditures of energy. What factors you include in your scan, of course, are up to y you. ou. Given twelve houses and only ten planets, at least two houses will be vacant. However, when several planets clump together in a single house – as as often happens with the Sun, Mercury, and Venus – even even more houses are unoccupied. This is as it should be. We can only scatter our energies in so man many y directions before we become as fragmented as the asteroid belt. The person whose planets are deployed in many different houses tend tendss to have many interests and to try to juggle (Deal with simultaneously) many responsibilities and connections. Whether they the y are successful at it or whether they become ineffectual dilettantes depends on other factors in the chart. Full houses depict highly significant areas of life, where we put lots of eggs in a single basket. Where we expend our energy is where we tend to get results, so a full house is an area where meaningful people, situations, and events are clustered.

If you have several good planets in the eleventh house but nothing in the fourth, friends will be major supports and may outweigh family in importance in adulthood. Likewise, club officers often have significant eleventh house  placements. The matters associated with a house with a stellium or the Sun and one or two other planets can even be a career indicator. For instance, a friend with a stellium in the third house started a very successful answering service. A

 

travel agent had several planets in the ninth house. Many academics or spiritual teachers also have a ninth house emphasis. The eighth house can show mediumistic tendencies, when strong, and also is one indicator of the  potential for wealth. deplo yed toward matters of that house, Empty houses or sectors indicate that major planetary energy isn‘t being deployed  but instead is focused elsewhere. Therefore, matters of that house are apt to take a back seat to matters of houses where planets are massed. A woman with no planets in the fourth or fifth but the Moon in the tenth is likely to be more fulfilled as a career woman than as a traditional homemaker.

Just don’t conclude that an empty house means nothing will ever happen  in the areas of life that house governs. One of Jeanne Dixon‘s empty houses is the third, signifying communication, and yet her columns and  books have been the foundation of her success. We would look to Mercury and to Gemini, since they are related to the third house. They more than tha n compensate for the empty house, because she has Gemini rising and Mercury conjunct the Midheaven.

Many novices (beginners) freak out if their seventh house ho use is vacant, thinking it means they will nev never er marry. Consider what else in the chart may ma y compensate. How strong is their Venus? Do they have major placements in Libra, especially the Sun, Moon, or Ascendant? Librans tend to marry, whether their choices are sound ones or not. Where is the ruler of the seventh house? ho use? If the ruler of the seventh is in the fourth and the fourth is strongly tenanted, then forming a family and maintaining m aintaining a home life is a stronger drive than marriage itself. The marriage may be a means to that end. Another thing to consider is that houses hou ses that are empty at birth don‘t remain empty throughout life. Transiting or progressed planets that move into an empty house tend to remain there for years . They stimulate (Cause to be alert and energetic) new events and conditions in the matters of that house.

A long transit of an outer planet through the second house corresponds with a long series of developments in the individual‘s finances. If there are no pl anets in the second natally, natall y, that transit means the individual will devote an unaccustomed amount of attention to earning and managing money. This is an excerpt from my hard copy co py book, How to Read your Astrology Chart, available from the pu publisher, blisher,   Red Red Wheel/Weiser .  Readers, areTell anyusofabout your it empty being activated by transits? Is that house “heating up,” and what’s new there? in thehouses comment section. More Excerpts from Donna’s Books:    

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Venus in the 12  house, Venus in Pisces, Venus-Neptune aspects and Neptune in the 7  house can manifest in similar ways, because Neptune, the 12 th house, and Pisces are all related energies and because Venus rules the 7th house of relationships. (Neptune in Libra – a placement shared by a whole generation – can can have some of these qualities as well if it‘s strong in the chart.) 

Below, I‘m including a list of ways the combination may manifest, just to show you how  a single natal placement can have such a large variety of meanings over the course of a lifetime. Think about your own Venus, 12 th house, Pisces, and Neptune placements. What can you learn about your own nature from this list? th

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Venus in the 12  house, Venus-Neptune aspects, Venus in Pisces, or Neptune in the 7  house can be expressed in any of the following ways, from undesirable to highly desirable:  

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Difficulty feeling loved Hidden artistic and/or musical talents or interests Being too ‗nice‘ as a form of self -undoing -undoing Placing a strong value on compassion and sympathy Problems with balance, hearing, or the throat (Venus rules balance and the throat) Attracting Piscean or Neptunian people into your life Hidden laziness Hidden sensuality Love of fantasy Love of solitude or nature Love of sleep as a Venus indulgence Lack of possessiveness Lack of interest in material goods or objects The desire for unusual or open relationships Dislike of relationship commitment (vague Neptune in the house of committed relationships) Romantic attraction to artists, alcoholics, or people with drug problems Romantic partners who keep secrets Partners with strong psychic or intuitive abilities Romantic attitude toward marriage A strong relationship with God or spirituality th Projecting a ‗halo‘ or s aintly aura (12 house influences near the Ascendant) An empathetic or even empathic relationship toward everyone Hidden mystical experiences Intuitive people skills Difficulty relaxing unless one is alone Behind-the-scenes charitable acts Falling in love with a person in prison or with a chronic illness Satisfying and enjoyable work in a 12th house institution such as a hospital, hospice, mental health institution, etc. Feeling loved by God or the universe A love life or financial life that improves with time as one taps into the 12th house gifts A lifelong quest for love, money, or o r spiritual satisfaction Secret admirers A willingness to embrace a wide range of spiritual practices or beliefs Placing a strong value on a holistic approach to life‘s problems   Love of the ocean, sailing, or water sports An affinity for hypnosis and/or working with the subconscious mind

 

 

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Love of photography Preferring to play a ‗back -up‘ or behind the scenes role rather than being front and center   A soft voice Lack of discriminating taste Feeling one loves all things equally Addiction to shopping Spending money on spiritual or artistic pursuits Idealism about love or money Attracting a ‗soul mate‘  Money from working behind the scenes in film, dance, or an artistic field The desire to keep one‘s relationships private    Not being aware of who is attracted to you Attracting others as a downfall Being perceived by the public as spiritual, spacy, or artistic Being addicted to love The ability to express love through artistic means Associating love with sacrifice Becoming a victim of people who say they love you Saving someone you love Carelessness in relationships or the opposite, excessive caring Impracticality as a downfall Lack of greed Placing little value on common sense Idealizing ‗spiritual currency‘ or spiritual values over worldly success  Preferring contemplation to action Tendency to give in Desire to go with the flow Belief in universal values rather than individual differences Being ‗too flexible‘ as a downfall   Seen as being hard to define Glamorous image Deceptive image or feeling you are not seen accurately Being idealized by others Subconsciously seductive Having a relaxed appearance Appearing to be casual or relaxed about relationships Taking an ‗easy come, easy go‘ attitude  Immersive, all-consuming relationships Looking for a spiritual rather than sexual partner Detachment about possessions Spirituality as a resource Diffuse or muted emotions Carelessness with money Lack of concern with financial security Believing ‗God will provide‘  Denying oneself material comforts Refusal to play favorites th

As it happens, I have all three of these placements! In keeping with the 12  house desire for privacy, I won‘t tell which of these manifestations apply to me. (This is an excerpt from a longer article a rticle on the  the Midlife Transits  Transits blog  blog: 12th House Extravaganza! ) 

 

Career Differences between the 10th, 2nd, and 6th House © 7-18-11 by Donna Cunningham, MSW  Th is is an excer excer pt f rom my ebook, ebook, The Outer Planets and Inner Life, Volume 1: The Outer Planets as Vocational Indicators, avail able at   M oo oon n M av ave en Publi ca cations  tions  . 

People with the 10th House Dominant: The 10th house represents the career, long-term goals, lifetime achievements, and one‘s ultimate status in the world.  People with a strong strong 10th house emphasis are very careeroriented, rather than necessarily focused on money (2 nd) or on work for its own sake (6th). If money is important to them, it‘s more for the status it confers. 

These individuals are intensely motivated by long-range long -range goals and by acco accomplishing mplishing something meaningful in the world. They yearn to make an impact on their world and often seek recognition. The career track would seldom be traditional when the 10th house features Uranus, Neptune, or Pluto or the signs those planets rule — Aquarius, Aquarius, Pisces, or Scorpio. Typically, it takes people with these chart placements longer to find their true vocation, since they are challenged to integrate the energ energy y of that outer planet into the workplace, merging the transpersonal with the vocational. For instance, people with Uranus near the Midheaven might gain recognition by shocking us and shaking up the status quo. People with Neptune near the Midheaven — say say within 10°of it —   — might might yearn for a career that is artistic and creative. The 2nd house is similar in nature to the sign Taurus. Tauru s. Those with a strong emphasis on the 2nd are often motivated more by desire for money and what money can do for them than by long-term goals (the 10th) or by work for its own sake (the 6 th). Many people with the outer planets strong in the 2 nd would object vehemently to such an interpretation, insisting that they are not materialistic at all. (Pisces, for instance, can c an be otherworldly, as can its ruling plane planett Neptune.) No matter how much they may dislike the emphasis on greed and possessions in today‘s world, however, these people are confronted with the necessity to earn money mon ey for basic needs, so earning a living takes up more of their energ energy y than they might like. The question of Right Livelihood becomes become s very complex when the special issues and concerns the outer planets represent are balanced with realities like paying the rent and making sure the children are fed. Uranian types who are strongly motivated by a need for freedom and autonomy may earn a good living for the freedom that money buys — and and not so much for the th e worldly possessions money allows them to have. Uranus-innd the-2  natives can take or leave the attention, so long as it gives them the money — and and thus the freedom — to to do what they want. People with Pluto or Scorpio planets in the 2nd often get hooked into destructive games where money is concerned. Money is fr aught aught with hidden agendas for them and a nd often represents power and control in their relationships. We‘ll go into the distinctions between these three planets and their signs in the chapters devoted to each of them. The more planets that fall into the 2 nd, the more complex the financial picture — and and yet the more potentials poten tials for nd earning a living. If the Sun is in the 2  along with these outer planets or their signs, self-worth issues are intricately woven into how much these individuals make —or don‘t make. If  the  the Sun were in Pisces or Virgo or making difficult aspects to Neptune, low self-esteem might contribute to not charging as much as they should for their services, but then the low income reinforces a sense of not being worthy.  

 

6th house types are interesting, in that —   — like like natives of the associated sign, Virgo — they they can be intensely involved in work for its own sake. Much of their energy is bound up in work and the workplace, whether that is a happy and fulfilling venue or the source of frustration. The particular 6 th house planets, signs, and aspects tell us about their work and how they seek satisfaction in this area.

When the Sun is in the 6th house, self-esteem is bound up in the quantity and quality of their work. When the 6 th  house is stronger than the 10th, the person usually has a Virgo-like reluctance to be in the spotlight. These folks are often indispensable employees who do much of the important work in a firm yet get little of the credit. People with several planets in the 6 th are sometimes workaholic, for work comes to serve many basic drives and needs. Th i s has bee been an excerpt f r om my ebook, ebook, The Outer Planets and Inner Life, Volume 1: Outer Planets as  M oo oon n M av ave en Publi ca cations  tions  .  Vocational Indicators, avail able at 

Readers, which of your vocational houses is strongest, and do you fit the pattern? Share your experiences in the comment section. More Excerpts from Donna’s Books:    

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Uranus In The Career Houses —―You‘re Not The Boss Of  Me!‖  Full Houses vs. Empty Houses in your Chart —   — What What to Expect  Expect  Four Kinds of Smart –   – Which Which One Are You?  You?  Donna Cunningham Introduces The Stellium Tool Kit  Kit   No Astrobabble Please  Please  English for Astrologers –  Hyperactive Jupiter Syndrome — The The Down Side of an Upbeat Planet  Planet  Getting a Grip on Saturn-Neptune Aspects Aspects    — the the Guard Dog of DenialMore Career Related Articles:  Mars Mission 2: Anger  House  Readers Ask: Q & A about the 2nd House  How they Hurt our Clients Astrologers‘  Hang-ups about Money — How Readers Ask: Q & A about the 6th House House   The Sixth House and Working Relationships  Relationships  Readers Ask   — Q & A about the 10th House  House  Readers Ask  Midheaven    — Q & A about the Midheaven 

Excellent Examples: Readers Examine their own Out of Sign Conjunctions (c)7-5-2014 by Donna Cunningham, Cunningham, MSW  sign conju nction, which consists of two planets 8° An often-missed aspect in astrology charts is the out of sign degrees apart or less, but placed in adjacent signs rather than the same sign. Several days ago, I asked Skywriter Readers who had out of sign conjunctions to share their observations of how those aspects played out in their lives. Here are some excellent examples.   th

One Reader observes, ―I have my Sun at 5° 57‘ Virgo and Mars at 27° 09‘ Leo, both in the 7  house with my South Node sitting between them. It‘s a bit wide –  not  not sure it counts (Virgo nit picking?!) I get a lot of push and  pull between wanting to hide out in the background and not be noticed or make a fuss, and being more forceful and direct. ―I always attract and am att racted to very creative men, often with Leo in their charts or other fire signs. I have my moon in Leo too, right on the descendent. There has been a dynamic of me being the practical, sensible one and

 

my partners being the creative one. And then I would g get et resentful that they seemed to be hav having ing all the fun while I was stuck making sure the bills got paid. I‘m managing to express more of my creativity now bu butt that seems to have been at the expense of my relationships –  to date, at least.‖   I assured her, ― No need to let those few minutes deter you from looking at that conjunction – especially especially since aspects to the Sun (or Moon) get a wider orb. My rule on orbs is that when an aspect seems like it might be a bit wide, I describe the aspect to the person to see if they relate to it or not. They often respond strongly to even a bit wider orb than you’d think, especially with the Sun or Moon.

Another reader contributed, ―I‘ll be glad to add my out of sign asp aspects….my ects….my chart is almost all conjunctions of the th early 1940s type. There‘s an end of the 7  house 28° Taurus Mercury conjunct 8 th house 5° Gemini Uranus. I get so much info from other realms and can‘t explain e xplain why I know things….then my astrology teache teacherr told me why. I have a life long awareness of past lives.‖  A mother writes, ―My teenage daughter has Venus in Libra at 28° and Moon in Scorpio at 3°, both in the 12th house. She is kind, gentle, genial, and courteous in social situations, but she is also intensely emotional and shy to the point of secretiveness. Already, I see that she utilizes her Venus as a hand handy y social persona, though she lives from her Scorpio moon. She is interested in becoming a child psychologist; a 12th house Moon/Venus conjunction career choice, for sure.‖   Another mother reports, ―My sweet Pisces son was born with an out of sign conjunction of Pluto and Saturn in his important 9th house. His Pluto is 29° 22‘ minutes of Libra Retrograde and his Saturn is at 4° 19‘ Scorpio Retrograde. I‘m patiently waiting for the universe to surprise me an d also to surprise my son I view Pluto as the most Powerful Planet so that makes sense to me that it would completely merge with Saturn. Ve Very ry interesting for a young man who is hoping for a dynamic career. My vision of my son is for him to become an extremely dynamic and very Powerful Spiritual Leader and Teacher! One of several who reported on conjunctions involving the Sun or Mercury shared, ―I have a conjunction of my Aries Sun at 28° and Mercury at 1° 1 ° Taurus, both in the 10 th house. While at work, I was very ver y nimble minded and quick to act upon those thoughts, but in my private life, my think-it-out-slowly Mercury takes over, often to the  point of being unable to get started. I guess the situation/atmosphere is a part of how I deal with this.‖ 

Astrologer Kat Starwolf notes, ―Having practiced astrology for 40 years and having had many clients with out of sign conjunctions, I‘d have to say th at it DOES that pay toof interpret aspects, since there‘s quitedifferent a bit of signs, significance as a result of their proximity. Regardless the factthese that the two planets are in two they interact with and affect each other, and therefore add a nuanced complexity to the expression of the natal chart and ultimately the individual. ―  She adds, ―One in my own chart is an out of sign conjunction between Uranus in Cancer and Moon in Leo combination. My emotions in general as well as sudden emotional upsets were always a surprise to me as well as others, and could (and did) often o ften create challenging and unpleasant situation situationss within relationships when I was younger. Fortunately, I‘ve learned to be more cognizant of my emotions and the directions they take, and have learned to moderate and tweak them as necessary in order to keep the peace. ―However, I feel that the most signi ficant effect of this combination is the out-of-sign effect, and that is that the nurturing and caring-for-others trait of Cancer has offset the egocentric ‗me -ness‘ of the Leo Moon tremendously; tremendousl y; that is, it‘s softened the harshness that the Leonine tendencies tend encies typically express.‖  A Reader analyzes her husband‘s out of sign conjunction, ―He has the moon at 29° Virgo conjunct Mars at 1° Libra, and it‘s in a wide conjunction with the MC. The Virgo and Libra help make this a less ex explosive plosive combination that it could be, but I‘ll say he certainly has a knack for infuriating people with a smug smile, and he

 

found provoking his father into an explosion hilarious as a teen. I suppose in this case it seems like the Libra Mars charm-them-to-death approach is quite supportive of the Virgo Moon‘s sensitivities. So, he doesn‘t have to get too down and dirty with people‘s anger. an ger. BUT he is quite a worrier, and holds passionate opinions.   ―He‘s very good at babying bab ying a sick or melancholy wife, but simultaneously will not abide anything he sees as a  philosophical misstep. For example, if I‘m upset about some perceived ―wrong‖ done to me, he does not hesitate to tell me why the other person has a valid position, or that I am the one who is wrong. And, of course, he‘s smiling (smugly or sweetly, I can‘t decide) when he h e says this. Sigh.‖   An interesting case from a twin: ―My twin sister and I happen to have an out of sign conjunction involving ou ourr

Moon at 26° Sagittarius conjunct Jupiter at 0° Capricorn. C apricorn. This conjunction doubly emphasizes the Jupiterian nature of our Sagittarius Moon, and I‘ve come to regard this out of sign conjunction in itself as a blessing. Jupiter in  pragmatic Capricorn has seemed to give our Moon an Earthling supportive role…. almost like a sensible  benefactor, prompting us to balance, ground and integrate some of the more exuberant, restless and pleasure seeking qualities of our natal Moon in the 5th house!‖  I’d asked for these conjunctions in the charts of famous people as well, and one subscriber wrote about Louise Hay, a writer and teacher of metaphysical principles: 

―A great example of a Mercury/Moon out-of-sign conjunction would be Louise Hay‘s Mercury at 27° Libra and the Moon at 0° Scorpio in the 4th house. Much of her life has been b een about promoting the use of affirmations to heal your life. The affirmations take on the quality qu ality of the Libra energy (positive, beautiful and even ev en somewhat ―flowery‖) but also have the Scorpio Sc orpio power of emotional release and transformation. Her birth data is: October 8, 1926 at 12:30 PM Los Angeles, CA.‖   Our research is continuing, and the more examples we get, the clearer the picture of these often-ignored chart aspects will be. The comment section is still open, so feel free to add examples you know about here: Out of Sign Conjunctions: Your Input Needed. Needed . 

Out of Sign Conjunctions: Your Input Needed ©7-2-2014 by Donna Cunningham, MSW Any time you find one planet in the last few degrees of a sign and another in the first few degrees of the next sign, it may be an out of sign conjunction.  If the two planets are within 8° of one another, ano ther, they‘re conjunct.

Many astrology students and practitioners ignore them, most likely because they‘re complicated to interpret. I’ve started to research out of sign conjunctions, and I’ve come to the conclusion that not only do they work; you run a risk in ignoring them, because they can represent an important dynamic in your life.  

Suppose that you had a Sun-Neptune conjunction. It‘s hard enough to understand these two planets merged in a single sign — lots lots of confusion and denial about who you really are. If the they y were straddling two signs and you ignored the aspect, you‘d have an even harder time seeing your true self clearly and r ealistically. ealistically. Or, let‘s say you had a conjunction co njunction between Mars in Libra and Pluto in Scorpio that you‘ve basically ignored. You own up to Mars in Libra, thinking, ―Mars has a couple of drawbacks in Libra, sure—it‘s indecisive and has trouble taking the initiative. But it‘s so charming and agreeable—a lover, lov er, not a fighter. Altogether, it‘s a nice little Mars.‖   I can‘t agree with all those rose -colored interpretations, because Mars in Libra people can subtly subtl y provoke others until they explode. Then the Mars person blames the fight on the other person, saying something like, ―You started it, but I‘m going to finish it!‖ 

 

In addition, when you leave Pluto in Scorpio out of the equation, you’re leaving yourself in the dark about major issues around conflict and control that can cause serious difficulties in relationships of various kinds . Pluto is the ruler of Scorpio, and with Pluto IN Scorpio, it‘s not just Pluto plus Pluto, it‘s more like Pluto times Pluto — a powerful placement! To team it up with Mars and pretend preten d the conjunction isn’t important leaves you in denial about parts of your personality that need tending to. It also prevents you from capitalizing on the greatest strength of here: Mars-Pluto Aspects? Use Mars-Pluto conjunctions, something I call Manifestation Mojo. (Read about it here:  your Manifestation Mojo!) Mojo!)  By glossing over out of sign conjunctions, you might also miss out on strengths of some choice combinations of planets. Imagine that you have Venus in the latter degrees of a sign and Jupiter in the early degrees of the next sign. Wouldn‘t that be a great aspect to capitalize on?   Embrace your out of sign conjunctions, then, and deal with their strengths as well as their drawbacks to

realize more of your potential.

 

I’m working on a new book about aspects, and am going to include a chapter on out of sign conjunctions. I’d like to have examples of how they work. The ones I use will be brief vignettes, no more than t han a paragraph, and there will be no identifying or birth information. I’d need to know the planets and their degrees, then the house and the two signs involved. Then explain how you see the aspect working.   So, Readers, will you join me in gathering information about how out of sign conjunctions show up in the lives of people who have them? If you or people you’re close to have one, share about it in the comment section. (Or, it could be the chart of a famous person, in which case, include the birth information). Your input would help all of us to understand these often-ignored aspects better.   More research into the Little-Known Aspects: Several summers ago, Skywriter Readers and I did research on some of the so-called minor aspects and learned a great deal. The comment sections are where they shared their experiences, and those sections are great to read. You can still add your own observations, for the more we understand these aspects, the better we can interpret them.

Robin William’s Two Astrology Charts— Only Only One Makes Sense (c)8-12-2014 by Donna Cunningham, MSW A reader wrote this morning and asked, ―Would you be willing to elaborate in your blog on the issue of predicting suicide in charts that are so heavily impacted by this year‘s astrology in light of R Robin obin Williams‘ suicide? I think his death has torn up half the world, and shocked us all. I would love to hear your comments, as opposed to what else I‘m seeing out there in the astrological section of the web.‖  

 

I‘ve been devastated by these events and  haven‘t had the heart to venture v enture out onto the web, b but ut it‘s easy to imagine what she might have encountered in the blogosphere. Unfortunately, there are astrologers who glory in the negativity and get a thrill out of making astrological interpretations that are terrifying to people whose chart or loved ones‘ charts have related natal or transiting aspects. 

Back in June, Liz Howell created a guest post here about the charts of several young men who committed massacres and then killed themselves. Eventually, there were so many comments that reveled in the negativity and speculated on its origins that Liz and I agreed to delete the post and the comments. (Eventually, I put up some  posts on the ethics of the situation, and on predicting suicide — see see the links at the end of this post.) I find myself not wanting to put up this post or to open the comment section because it would be disturbing — and and infuriating — to to get comments like those. I feel such a compassion compassion for this man whose work so many of us have loved for decades. Having worked in mental health settings and seen non-medicated manic people in action, I b believe elieve he was bipolar (manic depressive), as his comedy was wildly manic and because he struggled often with a deep, bleak depression. Both polarities are due to an imbalance in the brain, and the depressive polarity is a terribly black hole. Bipolar  people can swing between the two extremes, and for some of them, the higher the high, the lower the low. His abuse of drugs and alcohol is well-known, but I see it as a way of medicating himself out of the terrible highs and lows. I took an excellent course on alcoholism years back, and we learned that one of the genes for depression and one of the genes for alcoholism are next to each other on the same strand of DNA. I have a feeling he just got too worn down by a lifetime struggle to pull himself out of a soul soul-crushing -crushing recurring depression. That the man was so wretchedly miserable to hang himself breaks my heart. I looked up Robin‘s chart in the middle of the night on AstroDataBank. Here‘s the link to that chart and his bio: b io: Williams, Robin. Robin. According to their data, based on a copy of his birth certificate, he was born July 21, 1951 at 1:34 PM, CST, Chicago, IL.

That gives a 22° Leo Midheaven with a close conjunction of Mercury at 22° Leo and Pluto at 18° Leo. Transiting Saturn in the first has been back and forth between 17° and 22° of Scorpio for many months, including stationary stat ionary retrograde and direct intervals. Unfortunately, there’s a problem with the chart. When I entered the data into Solar Fire, a pop up message said

that Chicago wasWhen on CDT when he was butthe that an Illinoisand state law said were that CST should  birth certificate. I recalculated theborn chart, Midheaven Ascendant much earlierbeinused Leofor andthe Scorpio. That chart doesn‘t make sense, because neither the natal or transiting aspects fit his genius or the event. The AstroDatabank Chart with 18-22° Leo placements of the natal Pluto/Mercury/Midheaven in the other chart fit both his comic genius and the pressure of transits that erupted yesterday in ending his life.

 

The pressure of such depressing Saturn aspects to the Midheaven/Pluto/Mercury conjunction alone could have worn him down. We need to keep in mind, however, that transiting Saturn would have made hard aspects to these same points every seven years of his life, and he survived to 63. It would be helpful to know kno w what was going on in his life during the last Saturn in S Scorpio corpio transit, some 28-29 years ago – 8/1983-11/1985 8/1983-11/1985 – and and whether that was a low point too. Adding to the pressure he was under, unde r, he‘d been through a long series of aspects of the transiting Pluto and Uranus square to his close natal conjunction of Mars and Uranus in Cancer in the 8th. ( Don‘t get alarmed. Many of you out there have also had transits from this long-lasting Pluto —Uranus square, and it‘s been a tough one, but you‘ve survived it.)

The sadly ironic thing was that one of his memorable non-comedic movies, What D reams M ay Come  Come  , was about a man whose wife commits suicide and he travels to the depths of the astral plane to rescue her spirit. Now Robin‘s wife is grappling with losing him in the same way. wa y. We all are grappling, saying a sad farewell to an exceptional man. The one comforting thought is of his h is welcoming party over there – friends friends like Christopher Reeve and Jonathan Winters, waiting to be with him once more.

Aspects 101: Major Astrological Aspects and What They Mean ©1-13-2011 by Donna Cunningham, MSW Since some of our readers are relative newcomers to astrology, I like to include an occasional article that covers the basics. An aspect occurs when two planets form certain kinds of angles to one another in the birth chart, by transit, or when comparing two charts. If you‘ve ever had a chart done, even by computer, there may be a printout of the aspects in your own chart, called an aspect grid (see an example below).

 

To me, aspects are the building bu ilding blocks of almost all applications of astrology from natal chart ch art interpretation, to transits and progressions, to chart comparison, to horary and other oth er advanced specialties. Here‘s my personal take on the four major aspects — conjunctions, conjunctions, squares, trines, and oppositions .

For those starting at the very beginning: Conjunctions  are between planets that stand next to one another in the zodiac, within 8° or so. Squares are between planets that are 90° 90 ° – 3 signs — apart. apart. Trines are 4 signs or 120° apart. Oppositions are 6 signs or 180° apart. (The orbs o rbs I use — how how far from exact the two planets can be — are are 8° for a

s ymbols for the various aspects below conjunction or opposition and 5-6° for a square or trine.) You‘ll find the symbols  beside their descriptions.

two planets standing next to one As an example of what aspects do, let‘s first compare the conjunction — two another   — versus versus the opposition — w which hich occurs when they are directly opposite one another by sign, house, and degree in the chart. These two connections provide perhaps the starkest of contrasts, for the energies of the two planets are most closely merged in the conjunction and seem to hold each other at arm‘s length in the opposition. 

Conjunctions are a bit like glass, which is made from sand combined with various minerals that are heated to such a high temperature that they‘re fused. When you look at a piece of glass, you don‘t

generally recall that it started out as a handful hand ful of sand. To narrow it down to something these folks could cou ld wear on their tee shirts, the slogan for conju nctions might be, ―I yam what I yam,‖ while for the oppositions , it would be ―Look what you made me do.‖   When you compare Michael Jackson (Venus conjunct conj unct Uranus) with Queen Latifah (Venus opposite Uranus), you could say Michael was more unconscious — almost almost naïve — about about his strange sense of style — more more shocked when we were shocked or disapproving of it. Queen Latifah has a sly sense of fun in her style — inviting inviting us to react and laughing at our response.

 

Conjunctions CAN be hard aspects, if the planets pl anets involved are difficult ones or not readily combined. Conjunctions don‘t come any harder than Pluto and Saturn, unless you catch Neptune and Saturn together on a really bad day. Trines are viewed as fortunate aspects that convey blessings, benefits, and good luck to those who have them.

o bstacles. When a pair of planets is Squares are supposedly the bearers of strife and tough obstacles. square by sign, the natures of the two signs create inner conflict and conflicts with others that mak makee it harder to take effective action. After studying the charts of many successful people, however, it has h as become clear that they the y seldom have easy charts. Squares, oppositions, and other hard aspects create tensions and conflicts that drive us to make things happen; the ease experienced with trines can create a habit of lying back and waiting for good things to come. People with trines as the dominant aspect a spect in their charts tend not to capitalize on the lucky breaks that so often

come their way: ―easy come, easy go.‖ The best mix is a balan easy ones, but the stimulus of a square or two is energizing.

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People with trines to outer planets  (Uranus, Neptune, and Pluto) tend to share their generation‘s goals and  beliefs about matters related to that planet. Society is less resistant resistant to their attempts to impact the collective,  because they create change or evolution in ways that are agreeable to their peers.  

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When Neptune is involved in a trine, these folks share the culture’s dreams, visions, addictions, sympathies, and sensibilities. With a trine to Pluto, they’re in accord with how the culture deals with power —  — or share their era’s desire to create change in the use of power. With Uranus, they embody qualities that the culture finds exciting, trendy, and innovative and may themselves become trendsetters.

Individuals with hard aspects like squares or oppositions to an outer planet  pit themselves against the  prevailing winds. Their ideas, goals, and tactics go against the grain of the culture —  they  they may even be counterculture types. Where the four Elements come in: Characteristics and elements of the signs involved in the aspect modify the  picture considerably. Air signs generally abound in communication and verbal skills, while fire signs signs are energetic, lively, and often vivacious.

 

The three earth signs are likely to be practical, stable, and down-to-earth. Water signs are often sensitive, emotionally responsive, and empathic. The elements of signs that are square to one another  are naturally incompatible. Water and fire conflict co nflict (water can put out a fire), and earth and air are also at odds (it‘s hard to see in a dust storm).   and mutually dependent –   – elements: elements: water with earth, Signs that are opposite one another   fall into compatible – and air with fire. Earth without water is too arid and desert like; fire cannot survive without air. air. They are also in opposite houses, hou ses, with concerns that have the potential to support one another if there is give and take. (The 10th – the the career   – can can be nurtured by the 4th – the the home life.) That‘s why oppositions are not as bad as they are reputed to be, if we take care to give both ends of the opposition an equal place in our lives. Signs that are trine are in the same element –   – earth earth to earth, air to air, fire to fire or water to water.

The two signs are harmonious, so actions performed under un der trines flow more smoothly than those under hard aspect like the square or opposition, with better results. The elements involved in a trine suggest the types of skills, tools, and tactics that increase the effectiveness of the aspect. (For more information about the elements, start here:  here: Four Kinds of Smart —  Air, Earth, Fire, and Water .)  — Air,

  Hmm. Since I’m trying to come up with a new series of Q&A topics for myself, it occurs to me that aspects would be a good choice, since they’re an important foundation for chart interpretation. int erpretation. I like that idea, since aspects are one of my special interests.   Readers, What type of aspect is the most common in your own chart, and what do you think it says about you? Leave your answer in the comment section.   Articles from the Series about the Lesser-Known Aspects:  

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The Not so Minor Aspects Aspects— —Results of Our Research  Research  Semisquares—Your Input Needed  Understanding Semisquares— Needed  Understanding the Sesquiquadrate— Needed  Sesquiquadrate—Your Input Needed  Understanding Septiles –  –Your Your Input Needed  Needed 

 

 

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Squares, squares, and more squares! I‘m one of those early Libra Asc. people, so my angles are almost exactly square to each other. And, I have 4 T-squares, a Grand Cross, and a Cradle. That‘s not including the angles. ―Energized‖ is such a nice way to say it. I would like to hear anything positive about squares. About the nicest thing I ever hear is ―that which doesn‘t kill us makes us stronger.‖ Ugg!   o 

By: Terri on January 13, 2011 at 1:05 pm Reply   Reply I seem to recall reading something about squares eventually e ventually ―trining out‖, which I took to me mean an we can sometimes learn to put that stressful energy to positive use. I don‘t know if it‘s true, but I like it.    

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By: LB on January 13, 2011 at 10:21 pm Reply   Reply when you speak of squares “trining out,” LB, I think you may ma y be referring to progressions, since they turn into trines at about age 30 – at at least the Solar Arc progressions do. But that age, also, is around the time of the Saturn return, and using squares well certainly requires a certain maturity. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 12:47 am Thanks for clarifying, Donna  –  that  that makes perfect sense. It was bugging me where I‘d originally read it, so I did some hunting and found the source this morning. Here‘s the link to Jeremy Neal‘s Chirotic Journal post:  post:  http://chirotic.wordpress.com/2008/08/14/trines-vs-squares-half-a-

dozen-of-one-or-six-of-another/   dozen-of-one-or-six-of-another/ Ironically Donna, he mentions you in this particular post. Jeremy also says it begins to happen at around age 30, which is just as you said.:)  

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By: LB on January 14, 2011 at 10:14 am The mad and delightful Donna Donn a Cunningham, Mr. Neal calls me! I‘ve often been referred to as one o orr the other of that pair, but not in the same sentence! What a hoot! 

 

By: Donna Cunningham on January 15, 2011 By:  at 5:06 am

 

With a description like that, you could have h ave your own British sitcom.  

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By: LB on January 15, 2011 at 7:37 am  Nah, I call British sitcoms Old Fart Humor. Hopefully, though I am old, I‘m not an old fart. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 15, 2011 By:  at 7:47 am Absolutely not. I don‘t think any of o f your readers would think of you that way! :)  

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By: LB on January 15, 2011 at 7:59 am The two most complimentary words in my vocabulary vocab ulary for sure. All the best people are, in my experience both mad and delightful, and that certainly comes across a cross in your books as well (which is good!)  

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By: chirotic on January 18, 2011 at 9:28 am I‘m early Libra Asc. too, and I also have hav e some pretty heavy planetar planetary y squares (Venus square Pluto, Sun square Moon for example). Sometimes it feels like life is all uphill, but my chart is very fixed, so part of the problems I have are my own fault!

Thank goodness for my Saturn/Moon trine and my Jupiter/Venus trine! eonesquare talks about a square ―turning trine‖ they may mean a combination of two aspects. In my When som chart the Pluto to Venus ―turns into‖ ainto trineawith Jupiter, which, IMO, helps out that square.  

I have 8 oppositions, including Sun-Moon, all across my first and 6th/7th houses. But I can‘t say immediately what wh at it says about me, and maybe ma ybe that‘s part of the expression of it. I see so many possibilities I have to go away and think on it awhile. Thank you for asking such a simple —  and  and therefore profound —  question!  question! Counting all the aspects I feel (which sometimes means using wider wid er orbs) and including aspects to the n nodes odes and chiron I have a total of 8 conjunctions, 3 oppositions, 7 squares and 9 trines. Here‘s how I‘m experiencing them:  Conjunctions are im portant, but they don‘t feel that inseparable, they‘re like car gears or, better yet, an extra suit in the closet, you put it on when the ocassion calls for it, then you can take it off and pu putt it back in till the next time you‘ll need it.  Trines, I‘d trade them in a heartbeat for placements pl acements I like but lack. And I barely know what they mean. Seriously, what does a sun/moon trine mean? -If I had the square I‘m sure I‘d know!!! If you wanna make me yawn, compliment me on my trines. If you wanna make me chant, on the other hand, compliment c ompliment me on my squares and oppositions. The They‘re y‘re definitely the most important placements featured in my chart, and my most central issues . Squares feel like mixing a white blouse with a red t-shirt in the laundry, red always beats white, but the shade -

 

varying from surprisingly interesting to utterly ridiculousridiculous - that‘s up to you.   Oppositions, well, those are NOT up to you- to say the least. One end of the axis dies, and you‘re left with a deep seated aversion for what it represents. This is not a ―live and let live‖ aspect. You can‘t help it, you hate-hate-hate  people who‘re like the dead part. You try to avoid them (coz they make you look like Hannibal Lecter) but you can‘t, they‘re practically everywhere (or so it feels)! When you  come to your senses (which rarely happens when in their presence) you sincerely apologize, but you keep hating them in silence. o 

VR- Love your description of oppositions!  

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I have more trines and sextiles in my m y chart than squares and oppositions, but I‘ve discovered that the Saturn/Pluto conjunction to my Leo Ascendant more mo re than compensates for the dearth o off hard aspects. Despite all my nice flowing aspects, success comes only with hard work and ‗ego -less‘ intent. The Leo part of me (ever hungry for ease, adoration and applause) doesn‘t much like those rules, but whenever I break them the universe hits me with a 2×4. Donna, would you agree that a chart doesn‘t necessarily have to be full of hard aspects to be difficult/challenging?   o 

By: Sally on January 13, 2011 at 2:13 pm Reply   Reply Sally, conjunctions CAN be hard aspects, if the planets that are conjunct are difficult ones or not readily combined. Conjunctions don‘t come any harder than Pluto and Saturn, unless you maybe catch Neptune and Saturn together on a really bad day. I‘d better add that to the post. Donna    

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By:  Donna Cunningham on January 13, 2011 By: at 5:21 pm Reply Reply   made me think of someone I know, pluto/sat/mars conjunction in leo. Great creative person, p erson, but the ego takes so much of the good stuff to flow  

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By: sabrina on January 14, 2011 at 5:29 am Hi, Sabrina, that Mars-Pluto-Saturn conjunction was shared by Al Gore and Hillary Clinton. As you say, great creative person, but the ego takes so much of the good stuff to flow. Donna PS. I saw Hillary on tv yesterday, giving a eulogy for someone I neve neverr heard of, and her hair was seriously neglected…overly long and tucked around her ears so not to flop in her face. I‘m, like, ―Hillary,  Baby, you CAN‘T  just let yourself go!‖ 

 

What‘s up with that? Don‘t they have hair hai r stylists in Timbucktu or wherever she is trying to create world peace these days? This, from someone with a cut so impeccable during the presidential campaign, I almost decided to vote for her. A cut second secon d only to Meryl Streep‘s in The The Devil  Devil Wears Prada. A cut I still have wet dreams d reams about.

Okay, yes, I do have my frivolous side, and my silvery-streaked hair is my one vanity. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 6:02 am LOL I hear you! I agree her best hair ever was during the campaign. Maybe she‘s going through a rough, busy time. but still, she is a world class public figure, and there are stylists that can give you those magic cuts that only need a wash-and-go for you to look gorgeous for weeks, I can‘t afford them…yet, but I KNOW they exist ex ist ;)  p.s both Hilary and Al Gore have birth dates close to my parents, the charts are very different, but the numbers are connected…   

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By: sabrina on January 17, 2011 at 10:46 am I‘m square all over!!:  Sun Sq Moon Moon Sq Mercury Mercury Sq Jupiter Mars Sq Neptune….AND I‘m a Pisces….tum de dum…think I understand ‗creative expression‘ now!!  o 

By: Mary L English on January 13, 2011 By:  at 2:24 pm Reply   Reply well I‘ddeeper absolutely love to hear more abobe about utshared/learned, aspects and aspect I know astrology there are always levels of them that could andpatterns! I can‘t think of aisbetter place101, thanbut here.

I have many trines, and when is necessary I can find inner/outer resources or they the y come, they give me faith in difficult times. My first astrology teacher told me grand trines are protective, I think is true. But sometimes som etimes I need to kick my b*** to get things done, to find internal motivation. Thankfully I have few hard aspects that keep me in line. Like you said, is good to have a balance of hard/easy aspects. For the last few months I‘ve being curious cu rious about about kites and yods, there is not much material out there about them. I can‘t wrap my head around yods and I‘m trying to understand how some people make such great use of kites and others don‘t. The other aspect asp ect is certain conjunctions, i.e moon/saturn in cance cancerr versus moon/sat in capricorn. Or how overlapped patterns operate, say a t-square connected to an envelope, if that makes sense, etc, etc… 

Thanks! loved the venus/uranus example btw! o 

 

By: sabrina on January 13, 2011 at 3:04 pm Reply Reply   I can say this about a kite and whether it’s easy and productive or not. It depends on three things:  

1) the planets involved in the Grand Trine and whether the they y are essentially at ease with one another. (MercuryJupiter-Mars, say, vs. Pluto-Saturn-Sun.) 2) the element of the three signs in the Grand Trine – fire fire signs are dynamos, earth more plodding. 3) the two planets that form the spine of the kite (the opposition) and how well they work together. (Jupiter-Venus, say, vs. Mars-Neptune.) So, putting those 3 components together, there can be a great deal of difference between kite formations. Compare these two extremes: Mars-Jupiter-Mercury in fire signs, with Jupiter and Venus opposite one another. Pluto-Saturn-Sun in earth signs, with the Moon opposite Saturn. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 15, 2011 By:  at 4:30 am Reply   Reply Thanks Donna, this is very helpful. It was also interesting to hear about other readers kites. I just started a little kite-  project, project, so far I‘m just collecting charts and pieces of info, info, mars in gemini in the 9th is having fun already, then opp neptune in 3rd will help to get a better ‗picture‘ I hope! hop e!   

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By: sabrina on January 17, 2011 at 11:43 am A kite project? How cool! One generation you‘d want to look into is the people born in about 1940 -45, who had

Uranustrine (in first theninGemini) trine (ingroup first Virgo and then Libra, which would to a grand withTaurus something Capricorn forNeptune the early g roup and inthen Aquarius for the later group. g roup. (the fill kiteout planet was usually Pluto) As I wrote about them in my m y ebook, The Outer Planets and Inner Life, v.3, there was a distinct difference between the early group with the Grand Trine in Earth vs. the later group with the Grand Trine in Air. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 17, 2011 By:  at 2:28 pm my mom has that –  with her moon in aquarius and pluto opposite in leo … ever since the first kite comment, i‘ve  been trying to figure out how this has royally messed up things for her! ;)  

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By: Tara on January 17, 2011 at 3:25 pm

 

Thanks for the tip Donna!!! Now I  just need some time..and a brain…  Tara my Mom has two kites, one with a stellium in leo, hehe  

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By: sabrina on January 27, 2011 at 9:12 pm Since all my planets fall within an area less l ess than 180 degrees, I lack any oppositions in my chart. I hav havee 1 conjunction (sun/saturn), 5 trines and 6 squares, with a bunch of sexties which are not pa part rt of this discusion…since we‘re talking planets, I left out aspects to asc and MH. My mercury alone has 5 aspects to it (sextile, square, 2 trines, and an inconjunct) which is something I just noticed for the first time because of your question today, Donna…thanks :-) I‘ll need to ponder this a bit.  

Overall I feel like the square/trine aspects translates into this: when I do the work and come prepared, the opportunities appear. For example: For years, I worked as a secretary/assistant. I wanted more. While taking evening classes to earn my computer science degree, I tried to get a job at Hughes Aircraft. Walking through the front door yielded me nothing. So I researched what temporary agencies they used, signed up with all of them, and within 2 weeks of my FIRST assignment I was hired as an engineering intern, which led to a engineering student job and then a full engineering  promotion once I graduated. Without all the prep work, this opportunity would never have happened for me. That I  believe is the balance of squares and trines, at least in my chart. o 

By: The Mandala Lady on January 13, 2011 By:  at 3:10 pm Reply  Reply  after looking at my chart, I see squares and oppositions as the predominant aspects, with trines coming in third. I also have a 3 planet conjunction (Sun, Mars, Uranus in Cancer). People see me as dynamic and unusual, and one of a kind :) I also have to work for everything I get. o 

By: katley on January 13, 2011 By:  at 4:26 pm Reply Reply   I‘ve got 3 really tight oppositions, a loose stellium and one tight conjunction. I think Sally‘s on to something … a chart can be challenging in its lack of aspects. I‘ve got a few biggies operating in isolation!   o 

By: Tara Treanor on January 13, 2011 at 4:58 pm Reply Reply  

 

Yes, I agree that a chart without a lot of aspects can be challenging too.  Kind of like sailing around the world all alone – hard hard to make connections and find support. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 13, 2011 By:  at 5:29 pm Reply   Reply Many aspects can be hellish too, like having a bunch of hands grabbing you and pulling you towards different directions. Hard to decide which way to go.  

Connections and support are a gift, indeed, indeed , but you never feel like you‘re a perfect fit anyw here (which makes you look like you‘re the bad guy in the end).   I guess there‘s no such thing as a perfect chart.  Sometimes I wonder how it feels like to be b e a triple sth, though!  

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By: VR  on  on January 14, 2011 at 12:46 pm Reply  Reply   Nice image on the chart with many aspects, VR.  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 15, 2011 By:  at 5:20 am Donna, I continue to love reading your blog. So much insight, although I am a newbie to atrology (still.) I have read your past posts pos ts on stelliums and that was fascinating, but I still do not understand how to figure out how to do a progressed p rogressed chart. What exactly is one and/or where should I start in my quest to understand how to learn this? Books, etc. Thanks for the terrific website. I just love your energy energ y and input. Adela o 

By: Adela on January 13, 2011 at 5:17 pm Reply  Reply  I read that each day after our birth counts for a progressed year, so for example day 50 after the birth, would be our progressed chart for our fiftieth year and so on . we can see it in an old ephemeris by counting the days or with a computer. Also that progressed planets and a nd aspects show internal effects and transits outer events.

 

 

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By: jen on January 13, 2011 at 10:28 pm Reply Reply   Hi, Jen, that‘s one system of progressions, ―Day for a Year‖, and it was a quick and dirty way of finding our  progressions back in the day we calculated them by hand rather than have the computer do them in two seconds. (Now there are lots of students who don‘t even own an ephemeris.)  

BTW, we’ll be having some guest bloggers doing articles and Q&A sessions on progressions in the next couple of months, since I don‘t work with progressions much, only transits. One of them, Gretchen Lawlor, will  be holding a Q&A about the progressed Moon on January 29th. Doona  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 12:51 am That is going to be a great Q&A, she‘s wonderful!   

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By: sabrina on January 17, 2011 at 11:45 am Hi Donna –  Everything  Everything in my chart receives at least one major aspect. I have squares, trines, conjunctions and oppositions –  mostly  mostly squares and conjunctions. Ironically, the least common aspect in my chart is the one that challenges me most, and that would wou ld be the opposition. At their best, m my y oppositions lend themselves to a certain level of objectivity and self awareness; they also help me to strike a healthy balance or o r compromise, where each side gets its needs met. But other times they battle b attle it out, with one side of my nature working at counter purposes to the other; I always know exactly ex actly what‘s happening. In spite of that awareness, it‘s the one on e aspect I can‘t seem to consistently get a handle on, at least not during times of great stress or when faced with some major injustice or ongoing external challenge. It only happens when I‘ve been pushed too far and for too long –  or  or if I feel I have to compromise some essential  part of my nature to too great an extent. Inevitably, my Libran sense of balance gets thrown off and I end up in some hyper-expression of the opposition‘s energies. It can be intense.

The sources of my conflict may come from the outside, but I always feel the situations are there to help me finetune my character and turn me into a saint (hahaha). Not likely to happen anytime soon. o 

By: LB on January 13, 2011 at 6:32 pm Reply  Reply  Trines, squares, then equal numbers of oppositions and conjunctions.

 

I believe the conjunctions and oppositions to be my chart‘s strong suits. I‘ve gotten a lot of mileage out of my Cap Jupiter/Saturn conjunction opposite Cancer Mars. Maybe it‘s time to ease up and let some of t he trine energy flow? o 

By: Parin Stormlaughter on January 13, 2011 at 8:57 pm Reply  Reply  Donna, why do you see the Saturn Pluto conj as so harsh? I have mainly squares (10) and it gives tension, which can be used positively or negatively. I have to say it has to  be wielded with caution, because I‘m easily seen as someone who provokes. So the energy has to be put to good use, otherwise all bets are off. When I feel anger an ger or frustration, I use that energy to go do something that earlier I had put off, to be assertive and take matters into my own hands. E Energy nergy is energy, it‘s gotta go somewhere!   o 

By: Lonake on January 14, 2011 at 12:31 am Reply Reply   I see the Pluto-Saturn conjunction as the harshest aspect  because for the past 40+ years, I have been listening to clients who‘ve had to live with them, and when that aspect is strong in the chart, many of them have had to live with terrible adversity…abuse, poverty, harship, loss. 

(Strong as in it‘s in the 1st or 10th houses, conjunct the Sun, Moon , or multiple planets, or many aspects.) I have a chapter devoted to Pluto-Saturn aspects in my ebook, The Outer Planets and Inner Life, volume 3.  (Aspects between the Outer Planets). Read more about this aspect and how it‘s been affected by last year‘s Pluto-Saturn square:

http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/how-the-pluto-saturn-square-may-affect-people-born-with-that-aspect/  http://skywriter.wordpress.com/2009/11/07/how-the-pluto-saturn-square-may-affect-people-born-with-that-aspect/  . Even Britney Spears, who has it in the 1st house square Venus has n not ot had an easy life. In fact, many child stars who mess up majorly seem to have hav e that aspect. By the merest coinki dink, I happened to look at the Oxford Astrologer‘s delightful and irreverent blog this morning, and she has an article about Prince William‘s fiance, Kate Middleton, who has a strongly integrated Pluto-Saturn in her (untimed) birth chart. See it here:  here:  http://oxford-astrologer.blogspot.com/2011/01/catherinemiddletons-birth-chart-cool.html   middletons-birth-chart-cool.html Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 1:00 am Reply Reply  

 

I have fairly equal amounts (7-10) of conjunctions, conjun ctions, oppositions, trines, and sextiles. Three squares and a couple semi-squares, quintiles and biquintiles. Two of the squares are to my m y moon so I feel those deepl deeply y but have learned to manage them finally. I think the posts on aspects is a great topic. BTW speaking of aspects of child stars (I guess I am thinking of people in general latel lately y who come into lots of money all of a sudden it seems) is there a certain aspect, time period, transit, etc. that shows why or how these  people just become multi-millionaires? The facebook people, harry potter kids and others who have had this. Is is  just all of a sudden or am I just paying attention more? :) o 

By: cathie on January 14, 2011 By:  at 8:22 am Reply  Reply  Oh, I think there are many young stars who are sudden millionaires, but it‘s hard getting their data, particularly the  birth time. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 8:54 am Reply   Reply Re the Saturn/Pluto conjunction, I‘ve collected several quotations that seem to capture its quintessential nature and experiential expression. My two favorites are: ―The light at the end of the tunnel is invariably an oncoming train‖.  ―What doesn‘t kill me makes me stronger‖.   o 

By: Sally on January 14, 2011 at 11:26 am Reply Reply   Donna, I would dearly love it if you would run a series s eries on how to make the th e best use of, (or live with) squares. I have a mutable Grand Cross, involving the angles. It feels like I am always butting heads, with myself if there is nobody else around. And not knowing which way to go, just bounce around inside the square. I have more Squares, Oppositions and conjunctions than trines. But I feel like I can work with conjunctions and oppositions. The squares are stumbling blocks and I haven‘t figured out how to work positively with them. 

Would dearly love to learn to deal with squares in an evolved way!

 

Thanks Donna, as always love your blog. Judy o 

By: Judy on January 14, 2011 at 1:14 pm Reply Reply   Hi, Judy, That‘s a much more complex topic than can be handled on a blog– more more like a self-help book I no longer lon ger have the stamina to write.

However just today I decided that my next series of Q&A sessions (not guest bloggers, but topics of o f my own)will  be on the aspects. And as much as possible to make a week of posts about the aspect in the session. So we‘d have Square Week, Conjunction Week, and so on. Who knows what will come out –I  –I never do…until it comes out. A book that you might find helpful is the new edition of Tracy Mark‘s book on t-squares. A Grand Cross is nothing more than a series of t-squares. Also, si nce it‘s mutable, look around to see what you can find of Dr. Zipporah Dobyn‘s work about the Mutable Dilemma. (I believe she may have had a mutable Grand Cross herself.) http://www.astroamerica.com  . Donna You can find out-of-print books like that at  at  http://www.astroamerica.com  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 14, 2011 By:  at 3:19 pm Reply   Reply What I mean is I’d really like to know how to constructively use squares, all of them!    

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By: Judy on January 17, 2011 at 8:21 am By becoming conscious of times when we are expressing the negative sides of one o orr both planets and slowly decreasing the number of times we do that, while working diligently to embod embody y the more positive side of both of them. How do you do that? The same way you get to Carnegie Hall –   –   practice, practice, practice. Often one planet in a square will start to act up if you suppress it (e.g. you decide that planet’s needs are “bad”) while giving preferential treatment to the other planet. You need to find constructive outlets for the planet you have decided is “bad.” Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 17, 2011 By:  at 9:22 am

 

I have a minor grand trine between the sun, moon/saturn cnj. and mars being in the lead trn the sun. they are 5 to 10 degrees earth/water and function so seamlessly. The ease with which things in those areas of life happen seems to tell me ―don‘t sweat this stuff, we got this go take care of that t square. These T hese celestial bodies share few to none aspects to other celestial bodied or angles an gles and so run the affairs of the po portions rtions of the chart they rules almost on automatic pilot. The rare times something interferes they work it out with flawless grace with hardly a twitch of the eye. It amazes me at times. On the other hand almost all the rest of celestial bodies and all the angles an gles in my chart are related at 22 to 26 degrees by mostly (uncomfortably at times) active ―hard‖ angles. Those keep me busy. b usy. There is a T square between ur/ju cnj to venus/nep conj with chiron in the lead making an opp to the ur/ju cnj. These play ping pong or 3 way catch with me often feeling like the monkey in the middle. There are also though  bodies that aspect this t square from ―soft‖ angles mitigating mitigating the picture though so‘s to bring in solutions more easily. The trick I have found is to relax enough to allow those ―softer‖ aspecting helpers enough reign to ope operate rate on the ―hard‖ aspects. A t square can make one feel that they are in a burning building and so ―must‖ act (but not sure where the door is) especially in that my m y t square is cardinal and wants to jump in right away, often before a full assessment has been made. Some times it is of moment to let transits that make the ―softer‖ angle to one part of the t square and a not less soft angle to another p part art dictate the path of least resistance no matter how h ow minor the aspect may be it is still a helper pointing the way. So after 50odd years living with a t square I would say it has  been a tremendous boon in that it has expanded my horizons like wind in my sails. o 

By: uhane on January 14, 2011 at 2:14 pm Reply  Reply  ―…―softer‖ angle to one part of the t square and a not less* soft* angle to another part dictate the path…‖  *I meant to say ―not SO soft angle‖  o 

By: uhane on January 14, 2011 at 2:18 pm Reply Reply   There‘s a Kite in my chart, involving a stellium and a grand trine, and sextiles. So 8 oppositions, 6 conjunctions, 4 trines and 2 squares, and 8 sextiles The opposition is seesaw –  sometimes  sometimes the Virgo stellium wins and every detail is attended to, sometime the Pisces Jup wins and the dustbunnies have a p party. arty. But to be serious  –  the  the oppositions give me a way to express the grand trine, I think. I can‘t reall really y say which of the 4 planets in the stellium is stronger. Pluto is chart ruler, but Uranus is pretty strong too, for some reason. The other two are Sun S un and Moon, so it feels as if it‘s one planet with a very ver y strong energy working at the same time. Like my Moon is in Virgo, but the descriptions of Moon in Aquarius and Scorpio fits my m y life pretty well, too. The Kite is very focused  –  I can‘t remember if it‘s the planets that get the sextiles that is the focal planet (a stellium in my case), or the opposing planet. o 

By: Natalie on January 14, 2011 at 4:17 pm Reply  Reply  See my reply to Sabrina about the kite. The sextiles ease the opposition that forms the spine of the kite.  Donna

 

 

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 15, 2011 By:  at 4:32 am Reply   Reply Hi Natalie! May I ask you something? At what age approximately did you start experiencing your opposition as a seesaw? I‘m asking because the closest I‘ve ever got to my taurus moon was one time I bought an ill -fated plant- my scorpio mars said he never agreed on watering it, let alone making arrangements for it when on vacation!  

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By: VR  on  on January 15, 2011 at 6:42 am Reply   Reply Mars and Moon? Though! My opposition oppo sition is between Jup in Pisces and a stellium in Virgo. It‘s been pretty seesaw as long as I can remember. remembe r. I was very much Pisces when I was younger, in a wa way y I have grown into the Virgo  –  so  so I could manage to achieve achiev e my dreams. This is classic Kite  –  the  the stellium is at the sextile part of the kite, and gives the Jupiter energy a practical outlet. And about plants? Virgo would love flowers around the house –  Jup just can‘t  be bothered with the watering, it‘s way too much work. I found a compromise: green plants that doesn‘t need much water, and a kind of lily that hangs with her leaves when she‘s thirsty.   

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By: Natalie on January 15, 2011 at 9:52 am Thanks, Natalie, very illuminating! Maybe mine is a harder pair, or o r I just don‘t have what it takes for that necessary compromise (yet).   P.S. Gosh, you‘re all so doggone evolved here, sometimes I feel bad abou aboutt myself!  (If it weren‘t for Donna discarding presidential candidates on hairdo grounds and contemplating on current hair trends in Timbuktu, I‘d be outta here!! :) )  

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By: VR  on  on January 15, 2011 at 11:14 am I‘m not an astrologer, but I‘m guessing Mars in Scorpio is a pretty strong factor. Perhaps your Moon is a bit neglected? I‘d like t o leave an example of my seesaw:  seesaw: http://singhandnormann.blogspot.com/  http://singhandnormann.blogspot.com/  Good luck!  

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By: Natalie on January 15, 2011 at 4:18 pm

 

Great post, Natalie! And, great blog, too! Thumbs up from my Virgo stellium! Good to know you have h ave a writting partner, writting is such a lonely task, most of the times.. I wish you all the luck in the world with your projects :)  

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By: VR  on  on January 16, 2011 at 1:37 am Hi Natalie! It‘s me - Again! d oes it feel like to have a Grand Trine? I hate to take advantage of your ge nerosity, but I‘ve Got to ask this! How does Books affirm it signifies a flow of energy and prosperity in a chart. Is it truly that huge a deal? Could you comment a bit on that one? Please? (It‘s so hard for me to conceptualize the impact of placements I don‘t have!)   Thanx  

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By: VR  on  on January 16, 2011 at 3:35 am Hey, guys, get a room! Write to one another off-site or something, because you‘re way off thread. Donna   

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 16, 2011 By:  at 5:38 am Ouch –  sorry,  sorry, Donna :D VR: you‘re welcome to contact me through my blog!    

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By: Natalie on January 16, 2011 at 5:51 am I don‘t really have any dominant aspect type in my chart. However, my chart does seem to have one of each major aspect that seems to say the most about abou t who I am (whether I like it not; ) .

Conjunction: combust stellium of Mars-Sun-Venus in Cancer in the 4th house It truly is very difficult for me to distinguish between the energies and an d motivations of these planets. This m means eans that I can be deeply deepl y disappointed when I fail to satisfy a need o orr desire that arises here. Catch me when engaged in home renovation and decoration dec oration or one of my other ―special p projects‖, rojects‖, however, and this trio is full of vim an d vigor. Opposition: Saturn in Aries in the 1st house and my Moon in Libra in the 7th house.  No mistake, this is THE challenge I face. For me, this aspect is all about feeling that I am not enough. Needless to say, much anger, pain, and fear has been the result. If you, Donna, or any other kind soul has any recommendation on dealing with this aspect/issue, I am certainly open to hearing them. Square: Sun in Cancer in the 4th and Moon in Libra in the 7th This internal conflict was a major source of sturm und drang in my early adulthood. I do, however, credit these two for getting me out of a marriage that was slowly but surely draining the life out of me. Yes, they still have their testy moments, but, for the most part, they seem to have hammered out some kind of agreement.

 

Trine: Moon in Libra in the 7th and Mercury in Gemini in the 3rd I am truly grateful for this aspect. No matter what is happening in my life, my Moon and Mercury work together to make sure that all of those daily details d etails and routine interactions continue to be taken care of as usual. This is a gift when dealing with serious health issues or the death of a parent, for example. o 

By: Mari on January 16, 2011 at 10:53 am Reply Reply   Moon-Saturn hard aspects are very painful –   – usually usually a stern, perfectionistic mother figure who made you grow up too fast, and you never could be enough, because the demands increased every time you mastered one thing she wanted from you. Two flower essences related to insufficient mothering from The Flower Essence Services come to mind:   Mariposa Lily and Evening Primrose. Donna  

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By: Donna Cunningham on January 16, 2011 By:  at 11:52 am Reply   Reply I wanted to tell you that I really like the way you described the different aspects here. When you included real people (M Jackson and Queen Latifa, I could really relate and understand the point you were trying to make.) about my chart, i have 18 squares which includes the midheaven and chiron according to Astrodienst. I always focus on the better parts of my m y chart, I confess I was very surprised to see all those squares. Since a lot of the squares are outer planets, I am thinking it means I was born to tou tough gh times, but I know that my life h has as been a  bowl of cherries compared to some (a friend of mine died yesterday after a 7 year battle with cancer, for example; and even she had a great life compared to some) a cool thing in my m y chart is the sun and moon are sextile mars and trine jupiter. I think this means that stuff works out for me. When I want it, I get it. And even though Jupiter therefore is opposing Mars, things often end well. o 

By: mimitabby on January 18, 2011 at 10:06 am Reply  Reply  …..Oops this post flew away before I ended it…Maybe it was high time that it went? When a Moon -Saturn ages it is obvious that he she love regularity more than others do. o 

 

By: Monex on January 24, 2011 By:  at 5:16 am Reply  Reply  Whaa…! Off -line -line 12+ days. Still catching up after our google virus meltdown. Actually had to cchange hange servers to rid the plague —  Thank  Thank goodness hubby backs everything up on flash drives. Sorry to have missed my own ―winning‖ suggestion for outer planet forum…(only 11 queries? que ries? Your disappoinment was tangible and understandable –though the ―mea culpas‖ brought up some good points and I see that you are incorporating the best suggestions). Thanks for the moderation…I‘ll be practicing more myse lf-especially with trans. JUP conjuncting natal JUP in early Aries…  ―Mad AND Delightful‖, what could be better?  o 

By: Berta on January 27, 2011 at 4:51 pm Reply  Reply  I have a mixture of easy eas y and hard aspects. The overall ov erall effect seems to be that my peers think th that at I have a charmed life (mostly easy aspects to outer planets) but I know that I have worked hard for everything ev erything that I get (hard and easy aspects to Mars). To paraphrase Maya Angelou, they the y see my glory but don‘t know k now my (internal) story.  o 

By: Jara on February 2, 2011 By:  at 8:20 am Reply Reply   What about trines in different elements. Like late pisces and early gemini, or early aires and late scorpio. Will the energy still be trine? o 

By: JG on February 20, 2013 at 2:08 pm Reply  Reply  Apparently, I‘m the holy grail. I have a grand sextile in my chart w hich creates a three dimensional hexagon with a star in the middle. It pretttttyyy , and its quite amazing amaz ing in its ―geometry.‖  

17 Trines — - I guess im a lucky one. ( i.e takes things for granted as well) 12 Sextiles — I have the ability to get away awa y with things , and things always seem to work itself out , with little too minimum effort.

 

6 Squares —  I  I have overcome great difficulties battled with depression (i have five harsh aspects to my moon , but i have been through these tulmoultous phases, and persevered and survived, almost as though reemerging as a stronger person.( i would assume this is my pluto aspects working , forcing transformation , as i have SUN sq Pluto, mars opp pluto , also my mars opp pluto) 6 Oppositions- mostly saturn and others 3 Conjuncts- conjuncts include my venus ven us and jupiter and all conjunting m my y asc as well which is cancer. I have a leo sun. (2nd) Aries moon (10th house) I have mercury in the third house h ouse in virgo in trine with four planets. Also Scorpio in pluto in the 5th house The point is one may be so blessed and gifted but not realize they‘re worth or their gifts. As i struggled struggled with early  parts of life , and had to persevere to find out , the true value i have and reallly potential ANY person has. We all have different charts, different aspects , some favorable some very ve ry harsh,astrology helps us be more aware of them and is not ment to define but to guide! !!