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The Act is The Fact Part One: An Exercise (/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3h2yxo/the_act_is_the_fact_part_one_an_exercise/) (/r/DimensionalJumping/submit) (/) (/) u/TriumphantGeorge (/u/TriumphantGeorge) ● 232d, 6h
(/r/DimensionalJumping/search) NOTE: I strongly recommend you don't bother thinking about this too much. Just go and do it. It works. Any ideas you might have about it are useless to you. Come back and read and contribute to the comments after you have done the exercise. EDIT: Made a minor change to the instructions to clear up a potential ambiguity, 21Sep2015.
Although we often tend to view "dimensional jumping" or "reality shifting" as a specific event involving a particular act, in fact it is just a special case of a larger truth about the nature of experience. In everyday life we are usually oblivious to all of this, due to inattention, or deliberately ignore it, because its implications can make us uncomfortable. However, it is to our advantage to embrace this knowledge and there are simple ways we can leverage it for easy change. There is more to be said on that, and I'll follow this up with another post in future, but for now I'd like to encourage everyone to perform a very simple practical exercise.
Instructions: Two Glasses Exercise Here are the instructions, which you should follow exactly: Choose a specific situation that you want to change, but one that you don't necessarily have much influence over. Decide clearly what the current situation is, and what the desired replacement situation is. Get two glasses. Get two bits of paper or labels. Fill one of the glasses with water. On the first label, write a word that summarises the current situation, and stick it to the filled glass. On the second label, write a word that summarises the desired situation, and stick it to the empty glass. With the two glasses in front of you, pause for a moment, and contemplate how your life is currently filled with the first situation, and empty of the desired situation. Then, when you're ready, pour the water from the first glass (the current situation) into the second glass (the desired situation), while really noticing the sounds and feeling and shifting of the water from one to the other. Sit back and see the glasses in their new state; allow yourself to take deep breath and feel relieved.
Drink the water and enjoy the satisfaction of having made the desired change. Take off the labels, put away the glasses, carry on with your life. One thing I'd like to emphasise is that you will get results here, so if you do decide to perform this exercise: Please take this seriously and only choose a replacement situation that you will be happy to live with.
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MOPPET • 224d, 1h This is Wiccan spell casting 101.
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TriumphantGeorge • 224d, 1h For sure or rather, it has common elements, without the unnecessary (or rather: optional) cultural baggage. It is simply meant to provide a useful experience for those who would not otherwise encounter it. (And it's a bridge to a more generalised version.)
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[deleted] • 133d, 12h It's all quantum consciousness and fractal spacetime in the end :) whatever method works is what works!
TriumphantGeorge • 133d, 12h Spacetime?? A mere fairytale! Those darned "quantums" do seem to get everywhere these days though. ;)
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[deleted] • 133d, 10h as above, so below
TriumphantGeorge • 133d, 10h Hmm, I kinda think that phrase is a block to understanding for a lot of people, just because it immediately causes them to think in terms of a spatial relationship (even if it is a metaphorical one), which separates out two aspects which are not separate. But then, that's probably to take it too seriously anyway.
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[deleted] • 133d, 9h A theory of everything has to include everything. ;)
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And that includes the theory itself! :)
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PortAndChocolate • 133d, 10h
It's basic sympathetic magic. Been around way longer than wicca.
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BokoMaruGranfaloon • 218d, 16h I've always been able to make myself sick (think going home from elementary school) .. I could convince myself that I had a fever even though I was fine and then the thermometer in the nurse's office would read a temperature. I have always felt like I had some control of my world, but I never went beyond making myself sick. (What a great use of my energy!!!) So, I've been suffering from some terrible fibromyalgia like pain for about a year. My assumption has been that it's stress related since I'm fairly healthy and have a clean bill of health besides being slightly overweight. I'm also a first grade teacher and being in constant, exhausting pain is not exactly conducive to the work environment. So, I decided I would try this experiment about two weeks ago. On one glass, I wrote "pain" and the other I wrote "health". I tried to be very careful with my wording. I set my intention, did a few cleansing breaths, and poured the water. Then I moved on with my day. As of today, I have had no serious back pain since that day, and only slight tingling/aching after bending or crouching for too long at work. No feet that feel like stepping on glass. Love pats from my son don't feel like he's punching a bruise. I told my partner that even if it does come back over time, at least I had some relief!! I'm VERY satisfied with my results so far.
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TriumphantGeorge • 218d, 7h Hey, that's brilliant news! Really pleased to hear it! And, of course, I'm slightly amused that you spent your childhood using your "infinite powers" to make yourself sick. Kid logic eh? ;)
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bbeach88 • 166d, 16h You might enjoy reading about Biofeedback (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biofeedback). It's strange, but it seems that engaging in that kind of positive ritual can engage biological functions that work on a subconscious level. In other words, believing that your body is healthy (or will be), causes your body to function more as though it were healthy, thus making you healthier!! I have always felt like I had some control of my world, but I never went beyond making myself sick. What's important to remember is that you weren't exercising control of your world, but yourself. This actually isn't any less, but much much more. For what is your world without you? You'll find that affecting yourself and the world are much the same. Think of it like flexing your hand, you're just utilizing a different kind of muscle.
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kickaguard • 121d, 17h I'm always thinking of it like a spaceship. When I'm having a problem I mentally divert more of my men to the problem area. Like, say I notice a cut looking kind of not right. I'll take a minute to think "alright crew, we got a possible hull breach in sector 7. Let's get a team over there to take a look and start on repairs soon. More importantly, we got a coed soccer game coming up at 1800, let's try and do something about this hangover." Seems to keep me going.
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lorgi • 228d Hey, tried this two days ago. From all my attempts so far this exercise was the only one with results. Its not the exact solution to the unwanted situation I had in mind when I did the experiment though (it would be a huge jump, like change past events), but its a small, positive development, and it could lead to my desired situation. Nothing is yet guaranteed though, I'll have to wait a few weeks. I did it just as you described, I didn't meditate on this or thought too much about it, just decided the outcome, emptied the glasses, threw the labels in the trash and forgot about it for a couple hours. Later that day I received some good news about my problem. Should I keep doing it or once is enough?
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TriumphantGeorge • 227d, 23h That's good news! Once is enough, because the change has now made. It's like changing the TV to a channel that will be showing your favourite show. Once you've switched channel, you don't have to keep switching channel it's done. Now you just have to carry on pottering about until the show comes on.
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Just finished my exercise. I filled a stem less wine glass with cold, filtered water. I got a piece of paper and ripped it in half, on one I put my undesired position at work and my new one on the other. I chose a pen with my favorite colored ink to write both of them. I knew I had tape in the house with which to attach my papers, but I did not find it. So, I took two sticky notes, one yellow (the color I like least) and the other my favorite color. This time I wrote the same words, but I used a plain black ink on the yellow paper and my favorite color for the other. I attached the notes, found the yellow one did not stick well because the glass had condensation on it, but I held it in place. I attached the other sticky note and proceeded to pour the water into the empty glass. As I did, I held my new position in my left hand, my unsteady hand, and the water from the first glass did miss the empty one a bit. However, though some water did escape the first glass, I found that the second glass was filled with as much water as the first one, as if the water that escaped was replaced or never spilled at all. I then drank the water I put into that glass, noticing how refreshing it was and how much I needed the water. I relished every gulp I took, though I normally do not like cold drinks. I flipped both glasses upside down on my dish drying mat. I put the papers, both the sticky notes and other two, on top of the glass it belonged to. I then burned the two papers on which I wrote my old position at work and washed the remnants down the kitchen sink. Finally, I folded up the two with my new position and put them behind some books on a bookshelf so they would be kept safe yet out of sight. I feel much better now that I have gotten this promotion at work, as I put in a lot of hard work and effort into it. I did everything and more than was expected of me and I am now reaping the rewards of my labor, and am eager to take on new responsibilities and continue showing my skills and learning more at work. I achieved what I set out to do, which was get promoted before the end of my first year working there.
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That_One_Personality • 178d, 11h Hello guys! This is my first post on the sub and also my first ever comment on reddit! I'm really skeptical of these types of things even though I research them and hope that they are true. Could this method work for any change? Any significant change? I'm transgendered. I haven't done anything at all yet for transition. Could I use this method to switch to a dimension were I am actually a woman?
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TriumphantGeorge • 178d, 10h Potentially any change, although this method is going to generally produce results by "plausible if very unlikely" means. In other words, that's a pretty big discontinuous change for this zeroprep approach! Although you'll tend to get results of "some sort" anyway even for "impossible" things.
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jint3i • 228d, 23h It's working!
TriumphantGeorge • 228d, 23h But of course! Once it's complete, do post your results (you don't have to go into specifics if it's private, just the general idea of what you chose and how it happened for you).
Once there are a few in, I'll write up the second part of the post.
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jint3i • 228d, 22h This is a longterm relationship investment that started in the last month of this past year. I'll set a reminder to update a year from now.
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jint3i • 228d, 22h RemindMe! 365 days "How's that going for ya?"
StLStartupHopeful • 74d, 9h OK, it's been almost 6 months and I'm dying to know :) How's that going for ya?
jint3i • 74d, 9h I'm wealthy beyond my wildest dreams, I've found myself in a loving, healthy relationship, and I'm pursuing a life long goal that was on hiatus for the better part of a decade (as of about a month ago). Saying that things are looking up might be an understatement.
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whalestuff • 230d, 18h This worked for me. I posted about it here (/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/3gqki8/triggered_glitch_feel_intense_guilt/).
TruckMcBadass • 225d, 4h So were you originally from 982? If not, where were you from?
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TriumphantGeorge • 153d, 7h Well, when you want a change, then something else has to change too, and there will always be some collateral shifting to keep the world coherent and "plausible". And that's a good thing. Generally, if you're feeling superstitious like that, just have the additional background intention that things should work out the best for everyone. But your real problem is that you are full of "whatiffery". But what if this or that. Well, what if something really great happens? When it comes to this stuff, you shouldn't be planning or secondguessing at all. You simply do the exercise, then consider it done at that moment and carry on with your life the results will come to you. Really, you should start treating all your thoughts as direct interactions with the world. Don't spend time deliberately thinking anything that you don't actually want. Passing thoughts are fine; they're just fleeting ripples. But to intentionally think stuff you don't want, would be... an error. Y'know, all of the religions and magickal traditions have some concept of "faith" or "surrender" this is what they mean. You have to simply trust that, although you can't see beyond the horizon of the present moment, that your intentions have already been incorporated and will come to you when the appropriate context arises. Trust it. (There's really no other solution.)
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_mobiusstripper • 225d Hey George, Can I use this to jump to a dimension where I'm more hardworking? I feel sometimes that I don't have control of this, and sometimes that I do. For example, if I put "nondiligent" on the first glass and "diligent" on the second?
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TriumphantGeorge • 224d, 23h For sure, but you should be careful what you wish for, and choose carefully. "Diligent" (conscientious, attentive, productive when required) definitely sounds like a better idea than "hardworking" (swamped by obligations?). Be mindful of the village girl (/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/3gqki8/triggered_glitch_feel_intense_guilt/cu0ocog), in terms of being specific.
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Silentswiftly • 213d Decided to tackle a more "direct" current situation of mine. I have 2 papers submitted to a conference that are currently under review. The results are supposed to be out in the next week or two. My two glasses were written exactly as: 1) Both papers submitted 2) Both papers accepted
I will post the results for others to see once I get word of them.
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Silentswiftly • 199d, 16h Update: Both papers accepted!
inverz • 201d, 20h I just did it.. Let's chill and see what happens now
game004 • 194d, 18h Did it work?
inverz • 194d, 15h Let's chill and see what happens now To be honest, Not Yet
game004 • 194d, 14h Will you deliver in a week?
inverz • 194d, 3h Did I give it a week? Yeah
game004 • 194d, 3h Give it a second week
inverz • 193d, 22h
Alright np, I'm doing others experiments as well while I wait
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xianftw • 169d, 21h I did the Two Glasses Exercise today. My wife has been quite sad (hormonal), on and off for over a year now since our second child was born. It's tearing me apart and it's difficult to get her to get help. I've witnessed the worst part of SSRIs and often it's trading one problem for another, so I'm opting to silently set some intentions. Wish me luck. I'll check back soon once I determine if it worked.
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TriumphantGeorge • 169d, 21h Hey, my thoughts are with you on this one. Friends went through something similar and it was very distressing (all good now though). Consider "luck wished".
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CyanGatorade • 169d, 13h Just tried the exercise. Sorry for the short novel, guys. TLDR: Tried it, nothing yet, will report back. This was to get back together with a girlfriend. It sounds a bit petty and emotional to do this over, but we were together for 4 years, living together for 3, and have been saving money the whole time. We were just under a year away from achieving our big goal of having enough money to buy a house of our own, and immediately after, have kids and start a family. I don't want to go into what I said, but a monthish ago I said some things that caused her to break up with me there on the spot. We still live together, but she has been a bit cold and has just recently given me a chance to start casually dating her to show her that I've reformed my behavior. She is fully convinced that I won't be able to convince her of anything. Anyway. I thought about my current situation and the way I'm feeling right now and really got into my emotions. Then I thought about my desired outcome....blissfully in love as we used to be. I poured the glasses. And on the first note I simply wrote "brokeup", and on the second note I decided to ignore the oneword suggestion and wrote "happy, loving couple*" because I wanted to be more specific than just "together" and "happy loving couple" is clear and specific enough to be a single word if one existed. The asterisk is a note to myself that no being in my life should be negatively affected (to any kind of serious degree) as a means of getting to my desired outcome. So I attached the notes and felt a bit of sadness as I saw the full cup with the words "brokenup" on it as a symbol of my current shattered state. I then looked to the other cup and felt both sadness and happiness and experienced a chill down my neck as well as a minor feeling of adrenaline rush from/to my stomach (not sure which or why). I glanced back and forth between glasses imagining how great it would be for the 2nd cup to be my reality. I lifted the 1st cup and really took in the symbolism with what I was doing in pouring all the water out of the negative cup and into the positive cup which symbolizes everything that makes me happy in life.
I actually spilled some water because the glasses were not very good for this sort of thing (not a lot, but more than a little), so before taking in the sight of the new water placement, I got a towel and wiped up the puddle of water in the middle because it bothered me. When I looked at the glasses, I got another chill and a very slight feeling of contentment at looking at the empty "broken up" glass, and all of the water sitting where I want it to be. I didn't notice it before, but in the new glass I noticed how nicely the light shines on the water and how it looks almost jewellike with the shape of the glass (it was a beer mug in like a decagon shape). Reminded me of a CZ promise ring I gave to her shortly after the breakup. With that, I drank the water not realizing how thirsty I was and finished it all no problem. Honestly, I don't feel anything different right now and no sense of any kind of renewal, but I know I have to wait to see anything. I will update if I notice anything strange or out of the ordinary. Will also update in a few days if I don't notice anything at all. Thanks a lot for this post by the way TriumphantGeorge.
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CyanGatorade • 168d, 16h So, for the first time in my 24 year life, my car has been egged for apparently no reason at all. Must've happened in the middle of the night last night. I'd normally be furious, but I really didn't have any reaction to it other than "Darn kids". This past month has changed my outlook on life dramatically and has REALLY taught me not to sweat the small stuff. Due to a small mundane chain of events stemming from my car being egged, my exgirlfriend and I wound up going to an animal shelter which was something our entire relationship that I'd been averse to because I knew I'd want to take a dog home and we didn't have a house of our own. She seemed really excited and I kind of let her know that owning a dog is something I am kind of opening up to. Maybe strange coincidence, maybe the start of a chain of events leading somewhere good. Other than that, only other thing I've seen that was weird today was a GIANT house built (almost completely, still some equipment lying around) where I'm almost positive there was only a small hovel that had been there for years and years. It's a place I drive past every day, but I'm probably just going to chalk this one up to me being unobservant.
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xianftw • 168d, 23h Good luck. Perhaps your next exercise should be one that focuses on deeply changing whatever it was that about you that upset her so much to begin?
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Passion_Fish • 215d, 9h Interestingly, the ideas you propose here are consistent with the writings of physicist Max Tegmark (http://www.amazon.com/OurMathematicalUniverseUltimateReality/dp/0307599809), which you perhaps may already know. However, he does not go so far as to suggest that it is a phenomenon that can be tested and/or manipulated. I.e. he proposes that the basic substance of our universe is a sort of mathematical object, but stops there and does not make the final step to equating that object with the Akashic Record.
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TriumphantGeorge • 215d, 7h Yes, I've read some of Tegmark's work with interest (and he's an entertaining guy). EDIT: It's been a while, so apologies if I'm misrepresenting his approach. From memory, where I'd differ is that he still views the universe as a "thing" and that it is "made from" structures which have an independent existence, and his treatment of consciousness as a state within that. There we, once again, take the information processing metaphor as "real" and independent, and place consciousness within that. The universe still seems to be a "place" rather than a idea or pattern which formats experience. Tom Campbell takes a similar approach, although he does suggest that intention can select outcomes; it's just that he binds himself with the concepts of probabilities and rulesets, as if they are independent system properties "out there", and implies intelligence in that beyond ours. In our approach, we recognise that all narratives are abstract and arbitrary; they are experiences like any other. There is no fundamental structuring at all except what we adopt as consciousness. We are intelligent, patterns are "dumb". And that's why we can test and manipulate it we've got it the right way around. Recognising ourselves as unstructured consciousness which has "taken on the shape of" particular patterns, we are free to "shapeshift" in order to change state and select the form of subsequent experiences. The problem is that this requires some faith of a sort: You have to actually do a "shift" in order to experience a state change and thereby prove to yourself that patterns are arbitrary. If you try to work this out intellectually from your current view, or investigate without actually intending results, you'll just continue to have experiences from your current state confirming your current state. That's why there's the Two Glasses Exercise above and the Owls Of Eternity (/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3du9dh/synctv_the_owls_of_eternity/) synchronicity exercise. Easy stuff that hopefully gives people the experience. Then they can play with reformatting themselves with whatever "active metaphor" they're attracted to (Hall of Records, Infinite Grid, Imagination Room, etc). I think if Tegmark (or we) reinterpreted his description as "experiential formatting" then it could be quite a powerful enabling metaphor.
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TriumphantGeorge • 213d, 8h
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Coincidentally, there was a programme featuring Max Tegmark (http://www.radiotimes.com/episode/drh9yx/horizonhorizonwhichuniversearewein) about "the multiverse" last night. It wasn't very good at all, but I'd say Max came over best out of the four scientists featured.
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Passion_Fish • 212d, 9h Interesting, I'll have to watch. What I like about Tegmark is that his work on the multiverse points to something about consciousness and reality that lies beyond the common material assumptions that most people hold. Probably beyond those that most physicists hold (can't say for sure ... I studied advanced physics in college, but I eventually moved on to biology/medicine). But his approach is still very material, and seems to miss the obvious followup question: what is the substrate for the (presumably eternal) mathematical object that houses our multiverse? On the subject of scientists and consciousness, I recently read an interview with neuroscientist Sam Harris (http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2014/09/07/samharrissvanishingself/?_r=0) on the "illusion of self". He takes a very Buddhist perspective on the absence of self. Of course there isn't a self in the way we commonly think, but he goes too far, and when questioned about inconsistencies in his assertions, he waives his hands and fails to deliver answers. This sub has an interesting approach to the problem. I'm still conducting my own personal experiments based on the recommendations here. I will report back when I reach conclusions. Thanks for the mind food!
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TriumphantGeorge • 212d, 7h . But his approach is still very material, and seems to miss the obvious followup question... Yes, that's the thing. Tegmark essentially gets to the "patterning" approach, but then insists that those patterns are somehow "external" (the problem with all simulation and information models). If he just made the step to saying that these patterns are modulations of consciousness, that there is no "underlying", he'd be pretty much there. I can understand why he'd be reluctant to do so though. (He's also bound by viewing the world as a "place" I think.) Other physicists such as David Bohm have gone there (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicate_and_explicate_order) as did many of the early 20th century physicists. But at some point there's risen the tendency to confuse our abstractions as being objects rather than narratives. (See Mermin (http://www.ehu.eus/aitor/irakas/mes/Reference/mermin.pdf).) Sam Harris is okay as an engaging speaker, but he doesn't really get to the bottom of it. His conception of self is of "this person" but he doesn't follow it through and arrive at the context of experience. I think he confuses "consciousness", "consciousnessof" and "selfconsciousness" which is why "awareness" is a better word perhaps for the "nonmaterial material whose only property is beingaware". He then ends up in a corner when it comes to things like free will. We have to remember that this crosses over deeply into philosophy, and neuroscientists tend not to be that wellversed, and even with the physicists there seems to be a trend towards ignorance of the fact that all models have an implied philosophy whether recognised or not. (See George Ellis
(http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/crosscheck/physicistgeorgeellisknocksphysicistsforknocking philosophyfalsificationfreewill/) for comment here.) A better bet in my view is cognitive scientist Donald Hoffman's take (see TED talk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYp5XuGYqqY)), with interface theory (https://www.youtube.com/watch? v=dqDP34aepI) and conscious realism (http://www.cogsci.uci.edu/%7Eddhoff/ConsciousRealism2.pdf). It still implies an "external environment" of some sort which I disagree with, but the rest of the picture is interesting. (If you get rid of space, there can only be internal environments or actually, "dissolved" environments.) Yeah, it is the ultimate mind food... with mind as its ingredients!
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TriumphantGeorge • 181d, 7h That's a good one. Was having a conversation about collateral shifts elsewhere. Copy here in case you find it a useful way to think of this: Factual Updates and Collateral Shifts If the world is a continuous and coherent pattern, a blanket of material (/r/Glitch_in_the_Matrix/comments/3nccx3/remembering_memories_from_other_timelines/cvn4cxr) with folds as facts, then you can't adjust one fact without tugging a little on the rest of the material, impacting the other folds. Although these "collateral shifts" would make sense in terms of the fundamental nature the blanket they wouldn't follow the logic of the world's apparent content the folds. For instance, your car tumbles off the side of the road but flash! suddenly it didn't happen after all. Changing that fact inevitably results in a collateral shift of the world as a whole. But it takes the form of, say, an extra tin of fruit in your kitchen cupboard, a news reporter's hair being parted at the other way, and an acquaintance you've not seen in 10 years now never existed. Those changes are causally linked to, but not logically linked to, the event. Quite possibly you would never encounter these updated facts. However, the change in your feltsense of things that "global summary" sensation that you have might mean that the world sort of "tastes" different subsequently. You intuitively know that you are no longer in the same place. There's a different "flavour" to your life after the accident somehow.
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candypinkstar • 157d, 16h Just did the 2 glasses experiment. I have a lot of anxiety so labeled my first glass and current situation as "anxious" and the desired outcome "less anxious". I will check back if I notice changes. A question though, is there a limit to how many times you can do this exercise on the same situation perhaps altering it slightly? How many times can you do this exercise for different situations in your life? Thanks!
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TriumphantGeorge • 157d, 16h You should do it once for a situation, and then let it settle out. If you keep doing it repeatedly for the same situation, you are just constantly changing state. Remember: the change happens at the moment you do the exercise; it's just that the you don't necessarily encounter the evidence until later. In other words, future events are set in place when you do the exercise. There's no limit to how many times you apply the exercise for different situations but you should perhaps leave a gap between each use, because things might get a bit unstable if you do it a lot, without letting things settle a bit after each time.
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Aroha11 • 129d, 16h maybe it would be more effective if instead of 'less anxious' you put 'peaceful' (or equivalent), so you don't focus on anxiety
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candypinkstar • 129d, 14h Yeah maybe I could have didn't think of it at the time. However it works! Pretty cool.
LowSeptember • 156d, 14h
I've just completed this and feel oddly at peace. At first I was a little nervous and as I drank the water I felt a little lightheaded, but that was most likely my imagination trying to freak me out. Anyways, I labeled the first cup as "Unsatisfied," and the second one as "Content," and am quite excited to see the results! The word content applies to a lot of situations I do not have control over mentally because I do have some mental health issues, so I'm hoping this influences me to make better decisions and feel happier about what I have. I'll post about it when something happens!
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singularity_pet • 232d, 2h instructions, which you should follow exactly I've a problem... I sense negativity in the first glass, the unwanted situation. So, to my mind, pouring that tainted water into the second glass would be like contaminating the desired situation. What can I do?
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petrus4 • 232d I sense negativity in the first glass, the unwanted situation. So, to my mind, pouring that tainted water into the second glass would be like contaminating the desired situation. What can I do? I truthfully don't consider there to be anything wrong with acknowledging the fact that we are currently in an undesirable state. I've been downloading Neville Goddard a lot recently, and he might disagree, but hear me out on this. As a real world example, I have a cold right now. I am using the present tense; I HAVE a cold right now. I don't want a cold, but I have it, and I am not yet good enough at what Neville teaches to get rid of it in five minutes' flat. So instead what I am doing, is the only practical thing that I can do right now. I drank lots of vegetable juice and took a herbal remedy yesterday that I have found in the past to be effective, and I am drinking lots of water, and sleeping when I need to, etc. I'm also, however (and here is the important part, from an LOA/Goddard/dimensional jumping point of view) releasing as much emotional resistance to the current fact that I have a cold, as possible. I am not emotionally attached to the fact that I have a cold. As a result, my condition over the past 24 hours has improved fairly dramatically. Yes, I still have a few of the symptoms of a cold, and might do for another day or so yet, but I'm not allowing myself to care; because caring about a given state is the main thing that keeps me attached to it. The cold will go. Not instantly, perhaps; but with time. I also used this both last night and earlier this evening, and it worked fairly quickly both times. I live in a place that has chickens and three roosters, and last night they crowed for a good portion of the night and kicked up a real ruckus. Given that I was unwell at the time, cold, and needed sleep, that did not please me at all. So while feeling fairly intense irritation towards the roosters, I practiced my usual method of first mentally seeing a doorframe through which I could hear silence and no roosters crowing, and walked through it. Absolutely nothing happened. I tried it probably 34 times, and the roosters just kept on crowing. So I stopped, and took a different approach. I forced myself to release all of the emotional resistance I had towards the roosters crowing. I told myself that the roosters could crow all night if they wanted to, and I wouldn't care a bit; I'd put the fan on to drown them out and just sleep right through it. The roosters stopped crowing less than five minutes later, and I went to sleep. Flash forward to this evening. Given that I'm in a hostel, the main building has very thin plaster walls, and thus noise from one room, penetrates to all of the other rooms. Although I later got up again, at the time I was once again trying to get to sleep, and there were noisy children in an adjacent room. Again, same situation; I was sick, cold, wanted to get to sleep, and became annoyed with the children. This time, however, I remembered the result with the roosters, and simply went straight to the detachment phase. It worked like a charm. The kids were a bit persistent at first, but they still noticeably quietened down in about a minute. After about another five minutes, they were silent. This is where the guys over in /r/Buddhism (/r/Buddhism) are missing the point. Nibbana is not about you ceasing to exist; it's about your attachment to your current situation ceasing to exist. The secret, in the most literal possible sense, is learning not to give a fuck. As Patanjali wrote several thousand years ago, when you are indifferent to Nature, she becomes your slave. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZAOFC9f84 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0ZAOFC9f84) "Now we will tell you that thought creates form, and with emotion you vibrate it into being." Wendy Kennedy, in the above movie, channelling the Plaeidians.
So don't deny your current situation. Denial is resistance, and resistance is emotion directed towards the undesired state. What you get is what you feel emotion towards. What you do need: Tenacity. I am going to use the word tenacity where Neville Goddard uses the word faith. I truthfully do not like faith as a word terribly much, because to me it is fuzzy. You want something with a practical operating definition, where you can actually feel the word's definition when you say it or think it to yourself. Determination or tenacity is one such word. Grit your teeth and set your jaw. Now, this is also very, very tricky. You do not want tenacity specifically towards your desired outcome, because that will again announce to the system that a} you aren't in the situation you want, and b} that you care about that. That will screw you up. What you instead want is tenacity about the idea that you are going to get what you want, but you very deliberately leave out any specific details about "what you want," means. I'm not attached to the roosters crowing, or any other specific outcome. I'm only attached to the idea that I have what I want. No specifics. To go back to the earlier example, I genuinely didn't care about whether or not the roosters stopped crowing. I made the decision that I was going to sleep no matter what, and the roosters could do what they liked. This level of generality also gives the system room to give you what you really want, not just what you might superficially think you want. Another example. I am not currently as good at this, as Neville Goddard himself was. I'm just starting out. That is completely fine. I can admit that and not get my nappy in a twist about it at all. I also already know from direct experience, however, that Neville's tech (to borrow a Scientology term) works. So from that, I also know that I am going to end up just as good at this as he was himself. It's a done deal. It's just a matter of time. Resistance is futile. Neville mentions that there is often a time lag for things. Don't get hung up on that. The ability to turn your emotions on and off on command. You do not want to get rid of your emotions entirely. Emotional attachment is the fuel which keeps you inside the entire karmic system. If you want liberation, then sure, scrub your emotions completely. Total lack of desire or attachment is what will derail the karmic train, and let you out. I don't necessarily want to get out just yet; I'd prefer enjoying some time playing the game with God mode first. But think of your emotion as electrical current, and emotional detachment or indifference as a circuit breaker. Meditate regularly, because that will help you get to the point where you can decide what you do or do not want to care about. I can still know on a purely intellectual level that I'm not yet where I want to be; I just have to make sure that I don't care about it at all, emotionally. Nonchalance is the old word that used to describe that state.
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TriumphantGeorge • 232d A useful word here is "distinction". The distinction between you and a distraction, between one part of your experience and another, persists it. For as long as one part is perceived as "other" then direct intervention doesn't do anything. On "faith" it's a ruined word now, but Neville Goddard's use is about right: it's an "assuming" or "knowing" that something is the case. The process works, simply use it.
When you turn a door handle, you push the door simply assuming it will now open. If you later notice the door has become closed again, you simply turn the door handle and open it once more. In the same way, when we make an adjustment to the world, when we put it into a certain state, if we notice it has drifted or reverted, we merely return it to that state. At some point, the door stays open, the state becomes fixed.
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singularity_pet • 231d, 21h The secret, in the most literal possible sense, is learning not to give a fuck. I, too, am experimenting with detachment. The best (automatic) way for me is to recognize all the signs that we really are experiencing a dream, a simulation...
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wallabee88 • 227d, 12h Beautiful
Oracle010 • 138d, 9h Replying to save this excellent post, though I'll probably only need to read it once! Thank you.
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TriumphantGeorge • 232d, 1h If the water is consciousness, then it is inherently pure and can never be tainted in a fundamental way. However, if you feel that the water as you think of it might retain a "memory" of the previous situation, it makes sense to go through a process which involves purification or filtering. There are many different ways you might do this, so choose the one that feels right to you: Get a sieve or a strainer (http://www.ultimatereef.net/uploader/2007Q2/tea%20strainer.jpg). Simply recognise that this has the property of removing residual situational elements. When you pour the water into the second glass, do so through the strainer. Or Pour the water from the first glass into an empty kettle (http://www.emmohome.com/media/IMAGES/Brands/saikai/resized/soriyanagikettleA_size2.jpg). Boil the water to cleanse it, before pouring it into the second glass.
Or Pour the water into the new situation glass as described. Now, put a water purification tablet (http://www.aquatabs.com) into the glass. This will cleanse the water of any residual effects of the previous situation.
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singularity_pet • 231d, 21h The "water is consciousness" clarification did the trick and aligned my mind with the correct meaning of the metaphor. Now the negativity seems somewhat confined to the solid part of the glass (a dented glass, for example, is bad but cannot stain the water) Thanks! I'll keep you posted on the results.
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TriumphantGeorge • 231d, 21h Great! You could perhaps treat the glasses as mere clumsy physicalities of the ideals they represent. In other words, dents and so on do not matter, because it is the "container" or "location" property of the glass that is active here, not any other properties.
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Pixelsummoner • 232d Personally, I wouldn't choose to see it in that light. Memory of negativity isn't, itself, negative. There's no actual segregation to acknowledging the experience of segregation. One way to illustrate the way I think of it is to think of an artist's color palette even if he only paints blue waters, it doesn't mean he isn't aware that the color yellow exists; he knows of different arrangements, he just chooses to use his preferred ones. In that sense, the idea of having to clean the water which is the symbolic standin for the self in this model implies, to me, the belief that the way one is in their current (presumably negative) experiencestate is unfit or unworthy of achieving the desired (presumably positive) experiencestate. I'm not saying there's something inherently wrong with that belief, but from my understanding we are our experiences; thus, to decree that we aren't worthy because of an aspect of ourselves is effectively to invalidate our own efforts under the assumption that we're not good enough to attain our desires. That said, however, cleansing and assorted purification methods can be wonderful tools to make one feel better; thus effectively be better. Not because the "wrong" water would stain the desired state, but as a mechanism through which one can approach acceptance, both of the change and of the self that is experiencing the change. Either way, being aware of our reasons is probably the important underlining here.
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No indeed, I wouldn't see it in that light either but if someone does see it that way, then this (cleansing procedure) is an efficient approach. It's a case of them working with the feeling they've actually got, rather than trying to deny that feeling or persuade themselves out of it. In fact, one of the reasons the way the exercise is structured as it is, is that it hopefully guides you to unwittingly ignore all that crap, and just do the thing. The less it is contemplated, the better. It comes down to: getting results doesn't necessarily require you to work things out. Feeling worthy or not worthy or positive or negative is just a distraction. Do you have to "raise your vibration" if you want to put the kitchen light on? No, it's just a movement and a direct interaction with the world. The pouring of the water is a direct interaction with the world. Part Two will fill in some of the details later. One could think of that as a third situational glass, I suppose, awaiting the pure water of attention...
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kemtrailz • 195d, 10h What if the water is already purified? Is the cleansing process more of a symbolic thing? Thanks
TriumphantGeorge • 195d, 6h
Really, you don't need to do this. It was just to allay someone's fears. Just sticking to the main instructions is all you need.
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kemtrailz • 194d, 21h Ah, gotcha. Thanks for the response
resonant7 • 177d, 1h Hey man, thanks for sharing all this wonderful information. It's really fascinating. So with regards to this exercise, let's say for example I wanted to change something physical such as growing slightly taller. Would it be safe to do such a thing if I am happy to live with it?
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singularity_pet • 175d, 10h Part Two?
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TriumphantGeorge • 175d, 8h ...still to come, once the people have had time to play.
sinwarrior • 173d, 11h
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Pixelsummoner • 170d, 19h I suppose this post is now old enough that this comment won't be easily noticed. Perfect. But, I've thought some on the design of this method and on how to adapt it too my particular tastes, turn it into a more refined tool rather than a sample. What I've come to devise is reducing it to a single glass and a small piece of paper. Written on the paper is whatever represents the desired outcome, and the glass is filled as normal. Instead of switching containers from a explicitlydefined initial situation, just drink the water representative of the new state and allow it to replace inside whatever it will in order to find its place. The body as the vessel, in short. Needless to say, all of the feeling and intending and thinking and so forth is necessary. I'm just omitting it because this comment is just that, a comment, not a guide. Though perhaps it might spark new ideas for someone.
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TriumphantGeorge • 170d, 19h Not easily noticed... except by the author! (I kept my inbox replies going on this one.) Of course, it can be adapted. It's about anchoring worldstates and there are lots of ways to do it. The reason for the instructions being as they are, is that it's immediately intuitive to most people it doesn't need to be thought about, and hopefully it doesn't really occur to people to think about it. What's important is that you assign meanings to the configurations and to the act, so that they are attached to the states. You can even do the exercise using your imagination also! But there's a reason to use explicit 'external' objects and have them distinct from yourself. People's body volume tends to be a mass of muddled meanings, and there can be a confusion about where "you" are relative to the situation and what you represent during the exercise. Simple objects like glasses and water, meanwhile, are relatively pure in terms of their 'extended patterns', and the assignment of meaning tends to be much 'cleaner'. (Although you might still notice some synchronicity involving waterfilled receptacles and notions of 'transfer'.)
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So maybe I don't fully understand the experiment, can someone help me determine what is a possible scenario? Say, I have school today (the only day this week since Thanksgiving is coming up and I'm in University) and I want to eliminate school today. If I labelled glass A: "School Today" and glass B: "No School Today" is that a plausible idea? I am skeptical of the idea regardless, but could you do it for anything or are there specific rules to follow that I am missing?
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TriumphantGeorge • 131d, 21h A guideline proposed before for this exercise has been: "for outcomes that are plausible but perhaps very unlikely". In other words, they must make logical sense in the world no discontinuities against the physical "habits of the world" but can correspond to very remote chances within that boundary.
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BLOOD_ASCENSION • 218d, 23h are you people serious?
TriumphantGeorge • 218d, 23h It's easy enough to find out, right? Got a couple of glasses? Got water on tap? Is there a specific situation right now that you'd like resolved but can't think how? Then you're all set to try the exercise for yourself.
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BLOOD_ASCENSION • 218d, 4h ... very well, I will
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Polkadot1017 • 223d, 18h
Can this change things that involve people other than you? If I wanted a relationship, would I put "single" on the undesirable, and "partnered" on the desirable? Or if I wanted to lose weight with this, how would the transition work? Would I wake up and just be in shape if that's what I wanted? Or would it start dropping weight over the course of a few days?
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TriumphantGeorge • 223d, 18h Yes, you can do the partner thing. Anything within your subjective experience (which means: everything really) is up for grabs. For this exercise, the nature of transition will tend to be "plausible". The main point here is to demonstrate something to yourself, something essential about the nature of your experience.
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a_lucille • 214d, 13h Question: should I continue to revise my day as Neville Goddard has suggested after doing this, or would that be considered interfering?
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TriumphantGeorge • 214d, 8h That's an interesting question, and I guess it depends a little. But in general I'd say go ahead, that's fine, because the exercise above should in any case about situations which are a bit more remote from your immediate influence. When revising the day you are looking at the specific subjective scenes which unfolded, rather than the larger world. For instance, revising the scene where you argued with your brother at his house isn't going to affect the pattern associated with that business deal in Ohio etc.
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a_lucille • 214d, 2h So even if my focus of the two glass experiment was a better relationship with my brother, revision would be more of a help than hindrance?
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TriumphantGeorge • 214d, 2h I'm suggesting that you do the exercise for your relationship with your brother, then let it play out (knowing that it's sorted) and don't microrevise that relationship. (I mean, you'd rather just have a good relationship, right?) Instead save revision for "course correction" of things like reversing a bad meeting at work, etc. That way you are changing the situation as a whole, as well as properly demonstrating the approach to yourself too.
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a_lucille • 214d, 2h Oh, okay! Thank you for the clarification!
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TriumphantGeorge • 214d, 2h No problem good luck and remember to post your results!
MasterClefairy • 209d, 23h So, I did this exercise last night. I had a really close friend years back. We were extremely close and we cared about each other deeply. We got into a huge fight, and things were never the same again. Even though we have both apologized to each other, we are no longer best friends like we used to be. I still miss our friendship and think about it daily. Anyway, I put labels on both cups. One that said 'closeness' that one was empty; the other one said 'distant' that one was full. I took a minute to contemplate how our friendship used to be, and how we're almost strangers now. When I poured the water, I was strangely struck by how beautiful the water looked when it was hit by light. I took a deep breath, and felt more relaxed. After that, I put both glasses away. Now my question is...do I have to stop thinking about our lost friendship for a while? Do I keep my mind as blank as possible for the next couple of days?
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TriumphantGeorge • 209d, 23h Now my question is...do I have to stop thinking about our lost friendship for a while? Do I keep my mind as blank as possible for the next couple of days? Just know that it is already done. You have literally updated the state of the world by doing this exercise, and you will encounter the evidence of this in good time. Would you think about something that was already a done deal? No, because thinking is for things which are uncertain or regretful. Passing thoughts are fine, they are just like leg twitches. Would you obsess over a leg twitch? No, it's just a passing distraction. So treat thoughts about this area like that dismiss them with an "it is already done!" and continue with whatever it is you are doing. Aside you should never deliberately spend time thinking about anything unless it is for the purpose of inserting that thoughtpattern into the world, because that is what you are doing. So, all of the above is the reason why the last instruction is to "carry on with your life"!
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MasterClefairy • 209d, 21h Thank you, this was all very helpful. However, there was one thing thing you said that I need clarification.
Aside you should never deliberately spend time thinking about anything unless it is for the purpose of inserting that thoughtpattern into the world, because that is what you are doing. I'm not quite sure what you mean by this. Am I creating some unintentional repercussions by thinking 'I wish we were close friends again'? I hope I can provide an update next time I post!
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TriumphantGeorge • 209d, 20h It's fine if such a thought arises, just appears in your mind, and you let it pass. But you shouldn't deliberately think it. Don't get hung up on this though! First of all, why would you do that anyway? It's a superfluous act. Talking to yourself like that surely isn't healthy. ;) In this particular context though, you are making a declarative statement of fact which, by its nature, activates the extended pattern associated with it. This happens automatically since it is required for the statement to have meaning. If you say "I wish we were close friends again" you are literally triggering the experiential pattern of "wishing you were close friends again", which implies the fact of not being close friends. You are persisting the state of "wishing" and of "not being close friends". This complication is why the exercise is constructed in the way it is; it avoids all this formulation stuff and just accesses states directly, shifting their intensities. Summary Statements are not just observations, they are assertions which trigger the corresponding state, intensifying its contribution to your experience. Do not engage with any thoughts which arise that are contrary to your desired state don't fight them or explore them, just let them pass.
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MasterClefairy • 204d Hey, so this probably means nothing, but I've been having intense dreams lately. So, we're not close friends yet but I'm still patiently waiting to see if the glasses experiment worked. But I've been having a very vivid dream in which my friend and I are close again, and when I woke up I was still able to resume that dream the next time I fell asleep! And this happened twice already. This has never happened to me before. I also saw a large owl in that dream. Sorry for the lackluster update!
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Interesting! Thanks for the update. Hopefully more to come on that. Yeah, those owls get everywhere, once they've been summoned, a good sign.
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TriumphantGeorge • 195d, 14h Don't worry about how it works for now (the short answer is: the world is not really a "place"), just pick a personal situation you'd like resolved, and do the exercise. You can worry about the explanation later! It's actually better if you prove to yourself that it works, even when you don't know how it works. With this particular method, things will tend to happen in "plausible if very unlikely" ways. It's not like you are going to wake up somewhere radically different, etc. Look at other people's results posts for ideas maybe.
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TriumphantGeorge • 195d, 6h Anything really, other people, anything that is part of your experience of life, but it for this demo it will all tend to happen by "plausible if unlikely" means.
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TriumphantGeorge • 195d, 4h Drinking is fine, I might even include that in the instructions, just to clear up the ambiguity of what to do with the water afterwards. Yep, just carry on with daily life. The change had already been made ; you'll encounter evidence as time goes by, so just wait and see. I suggest that it's better to let this change unfold and settle before doing another one. More than anything, this exercise is meant to demonstrate to you that there's "something going on" here. If you change too many things at once, at the very least the causeeffect connection is not going to be as clear.
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TriumphantGeorge • 180d, 6h You know, for lucid dreaming you basically just have to fully commit to the fact that you are a lucid dreamer. You can use something like the two glasses to play with that, but you need to then let it be (which you might not find so easy for this). Alternatively, you could try just doing the sparkles/direct entry approach described in Don Degracia's OBE guide (http://www.dondeg.com/metaphysics/do_obe.pdf).
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atleastimsober • 180d, 9h Question can you change a past event with this method? I truly believe that all events, possibilities, experiences to infinity are concurrently happening. There is a singularity where everything comes from ... everything that could/has/will happen on every level macro to micro is all going on at the same time. We (or I) seem to choose one "time stream" to exist in. It would make sense that I could "jump" to a dimension where a past event never happened and my reality changes to reflect that.
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Urbn_explorer • 164d, 13h has anyone ever tried this to go to a dimension where a deceased loved one is still alive? or would the act of dying remove them from all realities?
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Aroha11 • 129d, 16h Actually, if anyone would sucesfully do that, they would probably not remember. They may have some worrying dream, but there would be no way of telling.
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TriumphantGeorge • 160d, 7h Can't tell you from personal experience experiment with it and see, I'd say.
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hannahjor • 150d, 19h This might be a dumb question, but, is this something that would work for multiple things? Say I have 2 things I want to change. Could I do it once for one thing and then do it another time for the other?
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MsSorarity • 148d, 1h Are there any side effects that happen when you do this? Such as immediate exhaustion or dizziness?
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Yep, those things can happen. Remember, this is about a change of state of the world and since "the world" also contains your body, then that is part of the shift. Your experience is local and your intention here applies globally, but global changes can also involve immediate local changes.
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asin_ • 136d, 3h Nothing occurred(well not nothing).. Maybe i did something wrong or my statement wasn't clear enough? Not much has changed though :/
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TriumphantGeorge • 136d, 3h nothing (well not nothing) ... not much has changed What does that mean, more precisely?
asin_ • 136d, 1h My financial life hasn't changed the way i directed for it too be, intentionally, visually. Maybe i need to continue creating, sometimes i just feel like giving up since i don't see the occurrences changing, but then again whats the point of giving up if theres nothing to lose.
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TriumphantGeorge • 136d, 1h
Suggestion: maybe initially go for something tangible, a specific thing or situation, rather than something as abstract as money?
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_icemahn • 132d, 23h And here...we...go.
thealienchild • 132d, 22h I have two questions: 1. Will this work if I want to make someone else's situation better? 2. How often can one do this?
TriumphantGeorge • 132d, 21h
So, the way to think of this is that you are selecting subjective experiences for yourself. And this of course means that you can select experiences of other people changing and getting better. Typically, I'd allow some settling out time after each use of the exercise; couple of weeks maybe. The original idea of the exercise was as a demonstration to show that there is "something going on", with minimal effort, so it's a kind of "fire and forget" approach. It just so happens that it's a handy tool also.
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Aroha11 • 129d, 17h 'I live in a world where X is healthy'
Circle_Dot • 132d, 12h Is there a part two?
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gruelove • 130d, 17h When you say, 'choose a specific situation...', how specific is specific enough? What I mean is, I tried this because I'm going through a period where I feel really downinthedumps and almost like nothing ever goes quite right in life, so I chose the words misfortune and good fortune. Is this too vague, or will it still have an effect?
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TriumphantGeorge • 130d, 4h It says that because the idea is that this is a "demonstration" exercise, and so if the situation is fairly specific, it's easier to decide whether there was a result (to show "there's something going on"). There's no actual restriction on what you can choose, though.
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Katsuya_Senchou • 71d, 6h I'd be happy if somebody helped me, So my p.c. Is broken and I want it repaired. So what word do I use to summarize my situation? Am I allowed to use multiple words? I thought about going with "pc broken". I'd appreciate any directions. (My pc basically suffers from "Harddisk failure")
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TriumphantGeorge • 71d, 4h The word comes from your own contemplation of the situation. You think about the situations, and ask yourself what words best captures those, feel appropriate, and then use them. This is not about "sending a message to the universe", so it's not about writing a description of what you want (like to Santa Claus, spoilers: Santa is not quite real). Rather, the words are "handles" onto the situational patterns that are dissolved into the background right now.
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petrus4 • 232d, 1h Possible dimensions I could see myself using this to jump to. A dimension without mobile phones. This would be my main priority. At this point it isn't so much that I want to get rid of mobile phones, as much as I'd like to go to a few dimensions without them, purely in order to see whether or not society really needs them. A dimension without Google. We don't need Google, because search engines existed before it did, and I consider Google megalomaniacal and undesirable. Truthfully a dimension without corporations more or less in general would be nice. I could live with building my own transistorbased computer; if you use breadboards or similar instead of PCBs, it isn't all that hard.
A dimension without transhumanism. This would also require large chunks of the twentieth century's predictive programming science fiction to cease to exist. A dimension where either Hellenic polytheism or Hinduism are the global majority religions. A dimension where the natural environment is in much better shape, and is actually valued by the majority.
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TriumphantGeorge • 232d Hmm. Well, the exercise in this post is really about shifting specific personal situations in your current world pattern. Which is not to say you won't get a result if you use broader terms, but the effects may not be quite what you had in mind... Have you looked up persistent realms (http://www.dreamviews.com/blogs/hyu/persistentrealmsotherlucid dreamingtechniquesiuse39218/)? If you just want a quick looksee of what dramatic alternatives would be like, without disconnecting permanently, that's the way to do it. Interested though: your list seems to be fairly countertechnology. What's the thinking behind that?
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trial_and_error5 • 204d, 20h I'm definitely interested in the persistent realms link, but it doesn't seem to be working for me.
TriumphantGeorge • 204d, 20h Hmm, just clicked and it's working for me. What are you getting?
trial_and_error5 • 204d, 20h The page doesn't load. Maybe it doesn't work on my phone.
TriumphantGeorge • 204d, 20h That's probably it it's a forum post on the Dream Views website. Works on my tablet and desktop, haven't tried it on mobile but the formatting is quite crazy so it probably wouldn't play nicely. It begins:
What is a persistent realm? It's a term I use to describe certain kinds of dreams I have. Dreams that are persistent, meaning where your actions have consequences, dreams you can resume each night where you left off. So why do I call them "realms"? Well, for me these kinds of dreams are a bit more than just persistent. There are a few more unique characteristics to them: Persistence When you "enter" a realm, you "resume" the dream where you left of last time. (more or less) Consequences Because of the persistence, every action you take has consequences. If you change something it will remain changed forever. For example, people will remember you and the conversations you've had with them. Laws & Dream Powers A realm has a set of laws of physics (fitting the setting of the realm), which may be different from waking life. There may be ways to cast magic for example. You can learn, understand, use (and abuse) these laws, but you can never do anything that violates them. (Such as using dream powers) If a character does something ridiculous then it means that there is a law enabling him to do so, and you most likely can learn to do the same thing. Realism Those dreams feel pretty damn real. I assume the main reason behind this (besides the technique I use) is that all dream characters are intelligent. You won't encounter the typical "derpy" DC who seems completely lost. DC's are intelligent and follow their own agenda. Their actions can be completely unexpected. It then continues at length. You'll find a nice overlap between the poster's ideas for creating realms and experiences, and some of the approaches we discuss here. Which makes sense of course: this world is an immersive, persistent realm too.
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Croscoe • 226d, 14h So I did this exercise 2 days ago, is this similar to casting a sigil? I use to try casting sigils a few months ago and none of them worked :(
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TriumphantGeorge • 226d, 4h Only in the sense that it attaches meaning to sensory objects, but of course there's a commonality to all these sorts of things. If sigils didn't work, can I ask: did you play with the situation mentally at all after you had cast the sigil?
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I did play with them mentally in a way. I was very open minded for how the things would come about happening, and I could see possible routes for the things occurring everywhere, but none of them really came about.
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 20h Really, you should leave them alone. Once you've done the act, simply get on with your life knowing that the work is done and it'll show up. You should think of your thoughts as literally pulling and pushing on the world. And unfortunately, if you start pulling up that "part" and thinking about different routes and even having doubts, you are potentially reshaping that part accordingly. That's like having spontaneously created a schedule by intention (albeit one you can't see) and then keeping changing your mind on what you want and how you want it, so that the schedule keeps revising itself.
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Croscoe • 225d, 20h Yea, I think it's very possible that whatever I was thinking about at the time could have interfered with it happening, however I never really did much obsessing over any of them, but I was pretty curious of how they would play out. Weirdly enough, one of them was to be given a bit of cash, (I can't remember how much it was, I think it was like a specific amount like $30) but it didn't happen for like a month so I completely forgot about it. I also don't think about the others anymore haha, so it would be nice if they came about happening
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 20h Heh, well you know I'm just theorising of course without knowing the actual situation there. One problem is that every intentional act is a worldchanging magical act. Lots of people are actually just spontaneous in their daily life, they don't "interfere" with it much (don't even know they could), and so the occasional intervention takes effect and then doesn't get undone. Meanwhile, others ironically, often those who are interested in the topic and pursuing it deliberately are constantly unwittingly "redirecting" themselves, wrestling with their world. So they fire of a sigil or whatever, but don't realise they are effectively doing constant "resigilising" through their worldfocused thinking process. Which is why I think it's a benefit to everyone to practice a daily releasing exercise, and then "stop generating". Learning how to, say, stand up from a chair without doing anything. It teaches you how to intend a statechange only when desired.
Croscoe • 225d, 19h Yup, the second one could be me :P
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I've gotten pretty into this stuff over the last few months, (actually learned a lot from stuff you have contributed) so I could be getting in my own way unknowingly, but I'm always willing to keep trying stuff because this whole thing going on is fascinating to me. I'm eager to see that follow up post on this experiment! I'm curious about more of how this experiment works.
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 19h
Yeah, it can be difficult because you want to do something to make things happen feel some sort of mental or physical effort going on. But that's just the intentional generation of the experience of effort; it has nothing to do with making the desired changes! Hopefully I'll have time this weekend to sit down at a desk and bash out the second part. The idea is that it will link the experiment (which amounts to ritual really) to the larger view of patterns and meaning and metaphor and so on.
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Croscoe • 225d, 19h I assume meditation counts as a releasing exercise right? (I do mindfulness meditation sometimes where I just focus on my breath and watch my thoughts without trying), so maybe I should try to make that a daily thing, but it's hard cuz I think I'm addicted to stimulation haha.
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 19h
Well, meditation can be good, but really I'd practice this: lie down on the floor in the constructive rest position (http://orenepstein.com/wpcontent/uploads/2010/11/semisupine.jpg) (knees up, feet flat, books supporting the head) and play dead. Let go of controlling your body, your mind but most importantly: your attention. Let them shift and move and unwind as they want. Whenever you find yourself holding onto your focus again, cease to do so. In other words: "stop generating" and allow the pattern of experience to flow as it wants.
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Croscoe • 225d, 18h
Interesting, alright. Any reason why that particular position?
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 18h
It corresponds to an ideal balanced posture no residual muscular effort required to maintain it, fully supported. It's pretty much the only way to have your neck muscles release. (And it has to be the floor really, or a very sturdy mat, definitely not a bed.)
You'll feel it when you do it. There's initial discomfort because you are residually "holding yourself in the air" but when that settles out it can be superrelaxing. (10 minutes, twice a day, or whenever you are stressed.)
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Silentswiftly • 226d So far, I haven't seen results with this method but it has only been about a week. I'm not saying that this method doesn't work, it could be something I'm doing wrong. I purposely made my "replacement situations" VERY ambitious. Example...I've been working out for years but desire to be a bit more muscular, so that was one thing I asked for. It's funny because if anything, I seem LESS muscular. I'd also like to mention that it's likely I still have resistance to change. I'm basically at the point where I know something is up but can't control my "dream" yet. Literally almost everyone I know has changed since "jumping", heck even a squirrel fell out of a tree after my friend specifically said it would never happen, lmao. But I still don't feel that I have the ability to "just decide" yet.
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TriumphantGeorge • 226d Ah, it's interesting what people choose as the situation! So, ambitious is fine, although because this particular experiment doesn't force anything, your result will happen by "plausible if unlikely" routes. In other words, there will arise "apparently reasonable excuses" for what you to get what you want. Anyway, this is an interesting one to watch happen. Yeah, the "something is up" period is fascinating. There's still the urge to try and make things happen by somehow doing them; like you can use your muscular tension or effortful frown to assist you. You know something is going on but it's still not clear how, exactly. There may be a squirrel or two to go...
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Silentswiftly • 225d, 23h Haha yes, the muscular one will be interesting to see happen. However, my pouring into the "Billionaire" cup will be even more interesting to watch unfold ;) Especially because I'm a programmer who makes apps, which makes it completely within the realm of possibility that it happens. I have a theoretical situation for you. Say a regular, ordinary person with 0 knowledge of oneirosophy/DJ/insert metaphor finds your post and performs this experiment. Are you confident that they will achieve their replacement situation? Or is it required for one to know at least "something is up" before getting results?
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TriumphantGeorge • 225d, 22h Theoretical Situation They get the best results! Everyone else who thinks they have some knowledge of "how it all works" subtly tries to manipulate themselves, or help it along, or work out what's really happening. This is one of the reasons I came up with that particular formulation: it's not so easy to make sense of it, even if you have thought about this stuff before, unless you've been pondering raw pattern/meaning activation. Of course, once you know the underlying, you can go directly for it, but it requires a level of bloody mindedness. Just as you can't "sorta, maybe" lift your arm, you have to follow through and not reedit the world before it happens, so it is with this. You are interacting with the world directly. The Billionaire's Cup [1] Hmm. Being into programming and creative stuff is good, just in terms of allowing things to happen, because opportunities can come from nowhere and still be plausible. Most people find that easier than getting that inheritance from a long lost uncle or whatever. Even though, of course, everyone has a potential long lost uncle; they've just not called him into experience yet... [1] Choose wisely. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ubw5N8iVDHI)
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Silentswiftly • 224d, 22h Thanks for the insightful post. I've seen you mention multiple times that one reason for "detachandwait" methods failing is by accidentally modifying the world back to it's original state. Let's say one is screwing about and this phenomenon occurs. Does one reperform the experiment and wait or simply place their faith back into the original experiment? I would guess that the latter would be enough to work, since it is the intention that matters right?
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TriumphantGeorge • 224d, 22h You simply need to do something which meansthat you have returned (are returning) your worldpattern to the desired state. You can reperform the experiment, or perhaps mentally recall the final state of the experiment and the feeling you had, or just superimpose "RELOAD" (http://www.geekygadgets.com/wp content/uploads/2009/02/timecrisistrikeiphone_4.jpg) over the scene before you with the intention that you are loading up the state again. But this is only a problem if, after realising what you've been doing, you thinkthat you've undone it. The whole "faith" thing is about realising that since changes are direct and immediate, creation is "already done" at that moment. It's definitely best you can commit and so stop tinkering; the exercise in the post is meant to avoid that crossing your mind (because you probably don't have access to the pattern anyway).
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I understand that changes are "direct and immediate", but what is the amount of time taken to see changes indicative of? Have you found through your trials that a persons level of "resistance" can make experiments such as this one take longer for the patterns to become noticeable? As in, could it possibly take decades? I guess what I am asking in simpler terms is that theoretically if TriumphantGeorge himself were to perform this exact experiment and ask for something nontrivial (money, fame, power), does it reveal itself near immediately? This is something that I've been struggling to understand lately. If the time taken to see changes is relatively unpredictable for even wellversed folks such as yourself, this method would seem much less powerful in comparison to the immediate "asserting" methods.
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TriumphantGeorge • 224d, 21h this method would seem much less powerful in comparison to the immediate "asserting" methods.
Completely right! The origin of this exercise is purely to get people to witness a result with zero effort or interest at all; you don't need to commit to "jumping" or any other metaphor. Although the pattern of change is implemented immediately here as always, it is overlaid upon whatever other patterns have already been accumulated, so you will see it only when the context allows it to "shine through", as it were. You aren't gripping the world in the same way as you do with other methods. Where its advantage lies (apart from not needing any practice at all) is that having done this, you gain direct knowledge of how your entire experience and every intentional act you perform works the same way. You realise there is no technique. It's simply a matter of how specific and strong the intention and not re intending subsequently. If by simply pouring some water while simultaneously summoning the pattern of a state you can bring it about, it makes you realise: a) how powerful you are specifically and, b) how cautious you should be generally.
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Silentswiftly • 224d, 21h
Makes perfect sense!
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TriumphantGeorge • 224d, 1h
Personally, I would not think in terms of "dimensions" except as a powerful metaphor as in, if your experience shifts dramatically it is equivalent to being in a different "dimension". You will never have any experience outside of "your reality", so any change that happens is basically a modification of that. This particular exercise should be thought of as a way to change a situation in your life without having to get bogged down in any theory!
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Rootbeer128 • 223d, 23h I tried this, and I feel a change, but... One of the glasses (the one with the negative situation) leaked from bottom and near the top, as I was pouring. There appears to be no cut or fracture in the glass... Weird... I haven't noticed the change because the situation that causes it hasn't appeared, but I believe this worked. Thanks for posting, OP.
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TriumphantGeorge • 223d, 22h Thanks for reporting back be sure to post updates!
Rootbeer128 • 223d, 21h It might take a week for a change to be noticeable, due to the nature of my situation, but if things have improved, then I'll definitely notice by next Saturday. I'll report back then.
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stupiddog01 • 156d, 21h
did your situation improve?
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maxw94 • 221d, 21h It can take some time, for me it happened, when I had almost forgot about it, especially if you think "When does it finally happen?"; "Will this actually happen?" you put obstacles into your way
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TriumphantGeorge • 221d, 7h And bear in mind that this particular exercise is deliberately broad in that it doesn't require a worldview or being detailed. It's particularly good for specific personal situations, but it will generate results of some sort for anything. Typically they will arise in terms of "plausible but very unlikely" occurrences. More direct approaches are available (see sticky post (/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/38c3yk/how_to_jump_between_dimensions/)).
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singularity_pet • 221d, 4h but it will generate results of some sort Could you please explain what makes you so sure? What happens, for example, if we try the ritual on an infinitely improbable goal?
TriumphantGeorge • 221d, 4h What you're doing with any approach is activating a particular pattern that is overlaid over all experience which then appears to "shine through" whenever an appropriate context arises. The more specific you are, the narrower the context. However, you'll always see aspects of the extended pattern you've triggered arising. See The Owls (/r/DimensionalJumping/comments/3du9dh/synctv_the_owls_of_eternity/) for an example of this. This highlights how the process is "dumb" and automatic.
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singularity_pet • 220d, 20h See The Owls for an example of this. Mostly the owl isn't anywhere to be seen, but wherever an appropriate context arises then aspects of the owl idea shine through and are manifest: A man has an owl image on a tshirt, the woman in the shop has massive eyes and eyebrows like feathers, a friend sends you an email about a lecture at the zoo highlighting the owl enclosure, a newspaper review of Blade Runner talks extensively about the mechanical owl in the interrogation scene, and so on. Ok, so "it will work" does not mean "it will manifest X", but "it will manifest signs and synchronicities about X (some of which could help the actual realization of X)" ?
If this is the right interpretation, then I too can say that the method somewhat worked... In the last ten days, after the ritual, I've experienced some strange coincidences about the target, but no signs of an impending manifestation yet.
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TriumphantGeorge • 220d, 20h
It does mean it will manifest; but manifestation works by pattern activation. That's why you tend to see related synchronicity before and after. There's actually no fundamental difference between, say, a picture of an owl on a wall, and a "real" owl in my room they are both images, sounds, texture floating in conscious experience; they are just different "shapes". So wait and see! However, if you later feel you have been doing this demo exercise for something pretty implausible, and that the pattern hasn't persisted because it didn't shine through in context, you can be more direct about it. But give it some time. (Remember that this is a zerocommitment, zerobelief demonstration exercise really. Although the results can be dramatic all the same.)
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maxw94 • 221d, 18h Of course I understand you, at the beginning I was impatient too :) I hope this can help you to get rid of your ocd someday
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thatgirlspeaks • 220d, 18h Is it possible to have effects that result in other people leaving your life? Or is this exercise limited to purely personal situations where controlling where the people in your life go is out of bounds? The reason I'm asking is I'm hoping to do this to have my inlaws want to leave our house and go back to their home country.
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TriumphantGeorge • 220d, 18h There are no restrictions here, only choices. For the purposes of this, think of yourself as having your own "private view" of the world. You can have any experience you want in your private view, since it's your "personal slice" of the infinite gloop. Nobody can stop it. Anything can happen. Go for it.
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Awesome, I figured that's what it might be but just wanted to double check. Thanks! I'll let you know if it works out. I'm going to try it right now.
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TriumphantGeorge • 219d, 7h It can be any receptacle if that's all that is available but it's nice if they are transparent, since you can properly observe the water in its initial location, and see the pouring taking place. So if you don't have glasses, a couple of plastic cups (http://thumbs4.ebaystatic.com/d/l225/m/mdKOTwsKNBO FDuwJpC9Ig.jpg) from a coffee shop or whatever does just as well.
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lunalj • 217d, 18h My goal was to get off the waitlist for university. I tried this a few weeks ago but I haven't seen results unfortunately. Admittedly I didn't follow the steps thoroughly (I forgot to feel relieved at the end, I didn't tape the labels on the cup cuz I didn't have tape, placed them in front instead) but I'm willing to give it another try. I have until the 8th for an answer from admissions... Also, I tried the owl thing a few weeks back. I saw like two owls on the internet. I want to try this again and see if it works.
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thatgirlspeaks • 215d, 22h Will the water spilling have an effect on the result? The glass that I was using to pour the water spilled a bit when I was pouring into the other glass. The rim is round with no spout so the water just kind of ran down the glass and dripped off the base. Not a lot of water, but it wasn't a little either. Should I try again using a more square glass?
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TriumphantGeorge • 215d, 21h If you feel you've left yourself with doubt if you don't feel satisfied then you can repeat it, just so that you can comfortably feel that you completed it, and move on.
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Okay, thanks! I'll try again because I feel like I didn't do it right.
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TriumphantGeorge • 215d, 21h Yep, good stuff. As it says in the instructions, you want to be able to allow yourself to take a breath and feel relieved at the end and then you can just move on (because you've already made the change).
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Faeyrin_ • 215d, 7h I drank deeply of the tall glass I used, so deep it was one chug and my physical thirst is quenched. I feel this is good. Worth noting, maybe? The series of links that took me to this thread coincided with a few ear ringings. Two in the left, one in the right. I don't know if any of you are aware of the significance that ear ringing holds in the occult, but either way, thought I'd say so. I am interested to see the result.
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TriumphantGeorge • 215d, 7h Interesting. What matters is the significance these things have for you, really. But it sounds like part of a larger narrative. Looking forward to your results!
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silascade • 213d, 18h I somehow got it into my head that you said you could write a "word or phrase" on the labels, so I wrote a phrase. Did the experiment last night, and I may be already seeing results, but it's too soon to say for sure.
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TriumphantGeorge • 213d, 17h so I wrote a phrase That's fine. I say "word" in the instructions to prevent people writing extended descriptions, rather than calling up the essence of it. The effort to encapsulate it helps, since it corresponds to identifying and accessing it. Things tend to happen pretty quick (in fact, the underlying change to the world occurs upon completion of the exercise). How soon you encounter the evidence of that obviously depends on the particular situation.
Look forward to hearing your results once they're in.
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silascade • 172d, 1h Well, I got my results, and your description of "unlikely but not implausible" is very apt. I used the Two Glasses to try and change an unexplainable, yet nonlife threatening, health issue that my wife has been experiencing for a year or two. Incredibly, a treatment route appeared within two weeks, and it's been working beautifully. Thank you TG!
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silascade • 212d, 15h Thanks for the clarification! On a related note, if I wanted to do the exercise again, is it better to wait until the results from the first one are "settled"?
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TriumphantGeorge • 212d, 8h For this, I'd tend to do one thing at a time, but there's no restriction really.
singularity_pet • 213d, 4h Can we write a specific delivery date under the label of the desired situation? ...or the ripples in the ocean of patterns are too chaotic for such a level of precision?
TriumphantGeorge • 213d, 3h There are probably better ways if you want to be more targeted (this demonstration exercise is deliberate in its strippeddown elements) but the process itself doesn't limit you in this.
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CosmiChris • 204d, 23h
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I have a family member who drinks too much and its negatively affecting my desire to be around him. Is this act applicable to such a situation? What is the implication of another's free will here?
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TriumphantGeorge • 204d, 23h Yes, that is a suitable situation. The free will discussion is somewhat tangled, but trust me that you don't need to worry about. It all works out. As an easy way to think about things: consider this to be "your copy of the world". Wouldn't you want to make it the best world it can be, with everyone in it becoming the best version of what they can be? Any action which supports that outcome is a morally good one, and your intention sounds like it fits in nicely. So maybe think of the "end situation" as being one where the family member is sober and also much happier as a result. That way everyone benefits.
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TriumphantGeorge • 200d, 6h You could drink it if it feels right to do so, symbolically. Since, part of the point of this is to prove there's "something going on", I'd take on particular situation and let it play out completely, until you know it is done. (Thing take a while to settle.) Then armed with the knowledge you've gained, you can choose how you manage it from then on.
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FangOfDrknss • 192d, 22h Does it really have to be glassware? Or can it be something like plastic cups? From the looks of it, the idea is to use the materials as a sort of focus.
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TriumphantGeorge • 192d, 22h
The exact material isn't important, but it's better if whatever you use is transparent.
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